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Author Topic:   Rationalising The Irrational - Hardcore Theists Apply Within
Huntard
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Message 22 of 277 (497332)
02-03-2009 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by petrophysics1
02-03-2009 2:22 PM


Re: Rationalising The Irrational - Hardcore Theists/Atheists Apply Within
Not to talk down on your beliefs or anything, but I'll see if I can find other explanations for some of the things you said.
petrophysics1 writes:
Really?
In October of 1917 around 70,000 people witnessed "something" happen to the sun in Fatima, Portugal. They attributed it to a miracle by the Virgin Mary, but that is not the point. Did something happen or not? It was witnessed by 70,000.
It could be that something did indeed happen, it could also be some form of mass hysteria. A few people thinking they've seen something, and this spreading throughout the group, where people, even if they didn't see something, will still be convinced they did.
Have you ever seen a very large meteor?
Personally, no. I have seen some pretty large craters though.
How do you know they exist?
The craters I mentioned above.
Did you read some book, which you believe, which told you so?
I saw the evidence they left, that convinced me. Is there a chance a large meteor didn't make them? Yes, but the possibilities are endless, and so, since we know big rocks fly around in space, we know rocks from space enter our atmosphere, and we know there are pretty big craters in the ground, not to mention the KT barrier in the ground layers, I'm pretty sure large meteor's exists.
Other than me, have you ever met anyone who has seen a very large meteor enter the atmosphere? (I'm not talking shooting stars here.)
No, but I'm not sure you did either. Perhaps you saw a much smaller meteor, but your mind made it out to be much bigger.
P.S. You seem to be saying that if one person experiences something it is subjective. So do two subjective expierences equal one objective experience? Or what number is required? Or does it depend on what YOU believe?
Experiences are NEVER objective. Only evidence everyone can look at and examine is.
There are more people in the world who believe in God like me than don't like you. Does that prove you out out on the lunatic fringe?
Actually that's not true. There are only about 1 billion Christians (I'm assuming you are one, it's even less if you are a Jew, and slightly more when you are a Muslim), so that would mean that most people DON'T believe in the same god you do.

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Huntard
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From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 31 of 277 (497364)
02-03-2009 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by John 10:10
02-03-2009 5:49 PM


Re: Is God a meteor?
John 10:10 writes:
First misconception: That we Christians have "blind faith in God," and require such from unbeliever before they too can believe in God. Unbelievers have repeated this mantra so long that they believe it's true.
First misconception: That we Atheists have "blind faith that god doesn't exist," we simply say there is no evidence for one. We require evidence from unbelievers before we too can believe in god. Believers have repeated the mantra that there is evidence so long that they believe it's true.
In truth, we Believers believe it requires more "faith" to believe that Creator God is not the cause for our existance, than to believe that Creator God is the cause for our existance. Once unbelievers begin to honestly consider that God is the cause for our existance, and then ask Him for the why, then the God who is reveals/discloses Himself to those who seek Him.
In truth, we Atheists know it requires more "faith" to believe that creator god is the cause for our existence, than to see no reason why to believe that creator god is the cause for our existence. Once believers begin to honestly consider that god requires evidence before we believe in his existence, instead of first "asking" him for the why, and only then the god who they say is reveals/discloses himself to those who seek him. They will never see why this is not real evidence

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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2322 days)
Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 43 of 277 (497392)
02-04-2009 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by ICANT
02-03-2009 7:51 PM


Re: Lots of gods!
Seems I was wrongly informed, thanks for pointing it out. Still, John 10:10 being a Christian, that leaves 66% of the people who don't believe in his god. I don't know if John is a born again, but if he is, and your 4% stat is true, that would mean 96% percent of the world doesn't believe on god like he does. Seems there are still more people that don't believe in god like he does than there are that do, whichever way you cut it.

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Huntard
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From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 82 of 277 (497694)
02-05-2009 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Phat
02-04-2009 6:25 PM


Re: Belief Before Evidence?
Yeah well, it was actually more of a parody of John's position, which is the weirdest one of them all. He says there is empirical evidence, but you have to believe god is real before you can see it. When we then summarize his position to say that belief comes first, he says it doesn't. It's a bit weird to me, so I thought I'd have some fun.
For me, yes evidence is required before I believe anything. Though I did made some mistakes by thinking "Hmm, that sounds plausible, that must be true" only to later find out I was utterly wrong. Ah well, you live and learn.

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