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Author Topic:   What do believers believe heaven or hell are like?
Checkmate
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Message 67 of 148 (209553)
05-19-2005 1:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
02-05-2005 5:53 PM


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I have been told by believers about some vague descriptions of Heaven and Hell, and that they are working very, very hard to get into one and to stay out of the other.
However, as an unbeliever I have been asked many, many times, "Since you are not a believer, what do you think happens when we die?"
The question rarely gets turned around upon the believers. In general, they answer something about "reward", "bliss", "Heaven", "hell", "punishment", or something along those lines, but rarely do any specifics get mentioned or discussed.
I am curious what conceptions of heaven and hell believers have, and what are the rationales they use to justify their idea of what heaven and hell are like.
I think this should go into Faith and Belief.
I am a bit confused that why you want to rely on any Believer. A believer can be learned, semi-learned, ignorant, misguided, confused, may draw his or her own erroneous conclusions conttary to the known facts etc.
So if you want to learn about the concept of the Hell and Heaven, I suggest that you read the scripture yourself with the help of some authemtic commentary.
BY the way Bible in genral and NT in particular does not gives any coherent detail about the Hell and Heaven.

"An uninformed person cannot conceptualize the essence of knowledge nor its sublimity. One who fails to conceptualize something, its significance will never become rooted in the heart."

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Checkmate
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Message 69 of 148 (209558)
05-19-2005 1:37 AM


In Islaam, we have a concept of Hell and Paradise and not Heaven where good people will go as reward in the Hereafter. Muslims believe there are seven Heavens, but not the place where people will sent as reward. It is rather Paradise, English translation of few verses out of 236 is as follows:
And give glad tidings to those who believe and do righteous good deeds, that for them will be Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise). Every time they will be provided with a fruit therefrom, they will say: "This is what we were provided with before," and they will be given things in resemblance (i.e. in the same form but different in taste) and they shall have therein Azwajun Mutahharatun (purified mates or wives), (having no menses, stools, urine, etc.) and they will abide therein forever. (Chapter #2, Verse #25)
And We said: "O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of you freely with pleasure and delight of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the Zalimoon (wrong-doers)." (Chapter #2, Verse #35)
And those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, they are dwellers of Paradise, they will dwell therein forever. (Chapter #2, Verse #82)
Everyone shall taste death. And only on the Day of Resurrection shall you be paid your wages in full. And whoever is removed away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise, he indeed is successful. The life of this world is only the enjoyment of deception (a deceiving thing). (Chapter #3, Verse #185)
The dwellers of Paradise (i.e. those who deserved it through their Faith and righteousness) will, on that Day, have the best abode, and have the fairest of places for repose. (Chapter #25, Verse #24)
Enter Paradise, you and your wives, in happiness. (Chapter #43, Verse #70)
This is the Paradise which you have been made to inherit because of your deeds which you used to do (in the life of the world). (Chapter #43, Verse #72)
They are those from whom We shall accept the best of their deeds and overlook their evil deeds. (They shall be) among the dwellers of Paradise, a promise of truth, which they have been promised. (Chapter #46, Verse #16)
Verily, those who say: "Our Lord is Allah (Alone)," and then they Istaqamoo , on them the angels will descend (at the time of their death) (saying): "Fear not, nor grieve! But receive the glad tidings of Paradise which you have been promised! (Chapter #41, Verse #30)

"An uninformed person cannot conceptualize the essence of knowledge nor its sublimity. One who fails to conceptualize something, its significance will never become rooted in the heart."

  
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