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Tram law
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Message 166 of 181 (614944)
05-09-2011 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Theodoric
05-09-2011 9:44 AM


Re: Authoritarian=Conservative? is the question
No, that would be yours.

But then again, you're liberal. You can't help but to collectively judge people.


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NoNukes
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Message 167 of 181 (614948)
05-09-2011 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by Coragyps
05-09-2011 8:49 AM


Re: Authoritarian=Conservative? is the question
Coragyps writes:

Buzsaw writes:

Our president who chose to identify with blacks though he was only half black....

You are a few years older than I, Buz, and as I remember you telling it, you grew up in the United States, not on 55 Cancri d. How can you even force yourself to say something as mindcrackingly dumb as that above? Do you think our president had the choice to proclaim, in 1975 in the US, "Oh, I'm a white boy?"

What are you smoking, Buz?

What difference does Obama's racial identity make? Is there something offensive about Obama self identifying as black? Seriously, should he call himself a mulatto?

More to the point, why would anyone care about Buz's definition of racism?

With regards to President Obama, we know from his posts that Buz's hatred for the current US president knows no bounds. Absent that hatred, Buz should have no problem acknowledging that Obama seems to get along just fine with white people.

And yes Strom Thurmond (his color-blind rosco not withstanding) was a racist. But Strom isn't the issue here. He's dead.


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Theodoric
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Message 168 of 181 (614951)
05-09-2011 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by Tram law
05-09-2011 11:03 AM


Re: Authoritarian=Conservative? is the question
Oh this is going to be fun.

Really, really you should lay off the personal attacks and grow a thicker hide. Whining will get you no where.

Lets go back to the authoritarian=conservative issue.

TL writes:

No, I wasn't and didn't, it was you who was making the claim that I was making the claim.


You do know we can look at all previous posts don't you?

TL writes:

I decided to mess with this a little. I decided to use the test to see the highest Authoritarian score I could get. I answered either Strongly Disagree or Strongly Agree only and with questions that can be answered in a clearly conservative fashion, I would mark Strongly Agree. Such as the question regarding whether the Christian Religion should be in taught in schools, I marked Strongly Agreed.

So, in messing with things I got this score:

Economic Left/Right: 6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 8.15

However, I was doing this to see what it would take to see how high of an Authoritarian score I could get.


Message 133
Clearly you thought if you answered questions in a conservative manner you would get a higher authoritarian score. That is exactly what you are saying here. Would you like to spin this to mean something else?


So you know me personally? You know what I do or do not know? Weird?

You said they were all afraid of brown people. That's calling them racist.


Lets look at the complete conversation on this one. Yes I am calling them racist but that isn't what my comment was referring to. So you are either a liar or have comprehension issues. This what my comment was in relation to. I even posted it so you there would be no confusion.
TL writes:

Not to mention how easily you've defined the Tea party as racists when you really haven't read anything about them except what your fellow liberals say about them


You are saying I know only what other liberals say. Now you cannot defend that so you claim I am backing off calling the teapartiers racists. You really are not a very honest debater.

TL writes:

It is you who are pontificating and trying to define things.


I welcome responses to my posts. I want people to show me where my thinking is wrong. But I am going to defend my viewpoints very aggressively. Also, I am going to respond with evidence and only get into the gutter with personal attacks when they are first hurled at me. Then I wont hold back at all. Oh yeah you might want to look up the meaning of the word pontificate. Not sure you know what it means.

TL writes:

I am not posting crap. These are things I believe.


Then defend these 'believes". One important thing to remember is that the facts are not going to alter themselves to fit your beliefs.

TL writes:

The fact of the matter is it is you who are generalizing and I will simply not read websites like that who have to play the race card for the lemmings who can't think for themselves.


So you are unwilling to consider anything that does not fit your existing belief set. The major news outlets are all playing the "race card"? What is this "race card" of which you speak? Care to define it?

TL writes:

Why don't you actually read their website and see their beliefs?


So you think this one Tea Party website speaks for all the tea partiers? You do know there is not one umbrella org don't you. Also, let me clarify I do not think everyone in the movement is racist, but racism permeates the movement and very little has been done to control it or distance the tea party movement form the racist movement in this country. How about giving me those links showing where people inside the movement have stood up to control or fight the racists in there midst. Find any yet?

Oh and you have heard of propaganda haven't you. A little history lesson for you. Research the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. What do you think their website is going to say about them?

TL writes:

This is a very common tactic among you liberals. And you guys collectively judge and entire group of people.


Laughable. I guess you're just showing you have nothing. You do realize that you just did what you accused me of. Since you probably won't be able to figure that out, maybe someone else can explain it to you.

Such as calling Arizona racists for the anti-illegal immigration laws.

The anti-immigration laws are racist. Maybe you should read them and know what they entail before you opine on them. Does this make all Arizonians racist? Of course not, but it means that there is a strong racist element in elected positions in Arizona. Do you think these laws are aimed at the illegal Irish?

TL writes:

I am not an intellectual elitist.


Elitist? What the hell is that crap?(this is the crap I mentioned you post) What on earth would make you call me an elitist? Maybe you need to define what you mean by that?
TL writes:

And where were people like you when during the primaries Hillary's camp was constantly playing the race card against Obama?


Again you know not of which you speak. I spoke out very vigorously against the Hillary campaign. The local and state dem parties here got a very strong earful and the campaign got calls, letters and emails from me.

What have you done to protest racism?


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
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Message 169 of 181 (614952)
05-09-2011 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by Tram law
05-09-2011 11:07 AM


Re: Authoritarian=Conservative? is the question
Listen Tram if you don't have anything to add but personal attacks how about you don't post.

But then again, you're liberal. You can't help but to collectively judge people.

Do you not realize how funny this is? I'll give you another hint. You are doing the same exact thing your are accusing me of. It really makes your arguments look petty and sophomoric. If you want to be taken seriously you should probably skip this as a debate tactic.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Tram law
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Message 170 of 181 (614954)
05-09-2011 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Theodoric
05-09-2011 11:47 AM


Re: Authoritarian=Conservative? is the question
You're the one who's bee personally attacking me and being rude to me. If you don't like it don't project and don't post to me.

All of your shit just because I wasn't like anybody else and didn't use the reply button. Ever since then you've been rude to me.

So if you don't want me to be rude to you, stop being rude to me and stop posting to me.

But I know you won't, because being right is serious business for people like you.


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Theodoric
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Message 171 of 181 (614960)
05-09-2011 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Tram law
05-09-2011 11:03 AM


Follow up on Arizona laws
Where do you think the vast majority of Spanish speaking people in Arizona come from?


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
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Message 172 of 181 (614962)
05-09-2011 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Tram law
05-09-2011 11:03 AM


Absolutely hilarious
I did some research into the link you provide for The Tea Party. Looks like it is a scam.

Evidence mounts TheTeaParty.net is a FAKE

You might notice the link I provided is not from a liberal site.

quote:
I’m Carol Greenberg, a Conservative from Ohio. I am a Constitutionalist, a firm believer in 2nd Amendment and 10th Amendments rights.

About Conservative Outlooks

Isn't it funny how these 10th amendmenters are all for state sovereignty for their pet issues, but I doubt they are very supportive of state marijuana laws or sanctuary laws.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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NoNukes
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Message 173 of 181 (615063)
05-09-2011 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Theodoric
05-09-2011 11:44 AM


Re: Authoritarian=Conservative? is the question
Theodoric writes:

How about giving me those links showing where people inside the movement have stood up to control or fight the racists in there midst. Find any yet?

How about the expulsion of Mark Williams by the Tea Party Express?

http://articles.nydailynews.com/...lliams-mosque-ground-zero

quote:
A California radio host and leader of the Tea Party Express, Williams had labeled the Manhattan boro president a "Jewish Uncle Tom" and President Obama an "Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug."

But when he posted a satirical letter supposedly from "the Colored People" to President Lincoln praising slavery, that apparently crossed the line.


Edited by NoNukes, : Fix quote tag


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Theodoric
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Message 174 of 181 (615068)
05-09-2011 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by NoNukes
05-09-2011 10:00 PM


Re: Authoritarian=Conservative? is the question
Well that is one example. Any more?


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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NoNukes
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Message 175 of 181 (615085)
05-10-2011 7:57 AM
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05-09-2011 11:19 PM


Re: Authoritarian=Conservative? is the question
Theodoric writes:

Well that is one example. Any more?

Sorry. I got nothing...


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Message 176 of 181 (616586)
05-23-2011 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Tram law
05-02-2011 10:40 AM


Re: new composite
I decided to mess with this a little. I decided to use the test to see the highest Authoritarian score I could get. I answered either Strongly Disagree or Strongly Agree only and with questions that can be answered in a clearly conservative fashion, I would mark Strongly Agree. Such as the question regarding whether the Christian Religion should be in taught in schools, I marked Strongly Agreed.
So, in messing with things I got this score:

Economic Left/Right: 6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 8.15

However, I was doing this to see what it would take to see how high of an Authoritarian score I could get.

That is kinda interesting. I get what you mean even though others seems to misunderstand your intention and point.

To test this further, and for those who are saying that Tram law was assuming that Authoritarian = Right, you should see if you can get it to score you a high Authoritarian but also to the far left.

What kind of answers would give that score?

So I guess the lesson is this thing is not a true test of finding out one's political leanings and can be easily messed with.

And now I wonder if there is anything out there than can actually provide a real accurate score without being messed with. I don't think there is.

Its seems alright to me, but I haven't really messed with it. It should be as true as a test as how truthful you, yourself, are being. Of course any test like this isn't going to work if you're lying to it.

My problem with these tests is that I don't ever really feel "Strongly" about anything, which only affects the magnitude of the direction your answer puts you towards, so I come out near the center all the time. I guess I could just lower my "Strong" threshold for the purpose of these tests...


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Message 177 of 181 (776821)
01-20-2016 5:46 PM


Trump (and the GOP)
The One Weird Trait That Predicts Whether You’re a Trump Supporter

quote:
If I asked you what most defines Donald Trump supporters, what would you say? They’re white? They’re poor? They’re uneducated?

You’d be wrong.

In fact, I’ve found a single statistically significant variable predicts whether a voter supports Trump—and it’s not race, income or education levels: It’s authoritarianism.

That’s right, Trump’s electoral strength—and his staying power—have been buoyed, above all, by Americans with authoritarian inclinations. And because of the prevalence of authoritarians in the American electorate, among Democrats as well as Republicans, it’s very possible that Trump’s fan base will continue to grow.

My finding is the result of a national poll I conducted in the last five days of December under the auspices of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, sampling 1,800 registered voters across the country and the political spectrum. Running a standard statistical analysis, I found that education, income, gender, age, ideology and religiosity had no significant bearing on a Republican voter’s preferred candidate. Only two of the variables I looked at were statistically significant: authoritarianism, followed by fear of terrorism, though the former was far more significant than the latter.


We see the ugly pandering to xenophobia and the self aggrandizement and exaggerate jingoism typical of authoritarians.

Remember too, how the authoritarian test subjects tended to end up antagonizing each other and launching nuclear war while the non-authoritarian test subjects tended to end up with working together for world peace.

Be careful what you wish for in a president ...

Enjoy


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Message 178 of 181 (776826)
01-20-2016 8:27 PM
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01-20-2016 5:46 PM


Re: Trump (and the GOP)
How can you be authoritarian without holding power? Are they talking about people who want an authoritarian government? It could be argued Obama is an authoritarian.
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Message 179 of 181 (776828)
01-20-2016 9:04 PM
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01-20-2016 8:27 PM


Re: Trump (and the GOP)
See the OP: authoritarianism is a personality trait.
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Message 180 of 181 (776867)
01-21-2016 4:55 PM
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01-20-2016 8:27 PM


Re: Trump (and the GOP)
How can you be authoritarian without holding power? ...

It's more of a psychological profile than a matter of having or holding power.

See Message 1 for how "authoritarian is defined and take the test, if you are interested in seeing where you fit.

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