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Minnemooseus
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Message 46 of 77 (528811)
10-07-2009 12:59 AM


Really nice page on the Earth's history of continental plate movement
History of Global Plate Motions

Supplied by Edge here and also in the following message.

Thanks,

Moose


    
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Message 47 of 77 (530521)
10-13-2009 10:04 PM


The "Thinking Christian" blog
Via Nick Matzke, at Panda's Thumb - Nick says:

quote:
I occasionally comment on the blog of Thinking Christian. The writer is a conservative evangelical sympathetic to ID, but does sometimes indicate some ability to look at evidence, thus leading to above-average arguments.

Nick goes on to cite the Maybe They Really Canít Tell the Difference article of Oct. 11th. There is also a follow up article, Questions For Those Who Believe Intelligent Design Is Creationism, dated Oct. 13.

The blog in general is http://www.thinkingchristian.net/.

I'm going to add it to my short list of blogs to keep an eye on.

Moose

THIS TOPIC IS NOT A DEBATE TOPIC - SUCH DEBATE NEEDS TO FIND A HOME ELSEWHERE.


    
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Message 48 of 77 (548502)
02-27-2010 9:47 PM


Rotting fish and taphonomy: what fossilizes?
Stole the subtitle from Panda's Thumb.

They, in turn, refer to:
http://lancelet.blogspot.com/...02/rotting-tree-of-life.html

About the fossil preservation or non-preservation of non-hard parts of oganisms.

Moose


    
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Message 49 of 77 (561648)
05-22-2010 8:35 AM


New Book on Creationist Culture
The National Center for Science Education has just made available a PDF of a number of pages from Daniel Radosh's new book Rapture Ready! Adventures in the Parallel Universe of Christian Pop Culture.

To view the PDF click here. The excerpts mostly recount Radosh's visit to AiG's creation science museum.

Ken Ham's manner is shown in dangerous contrast to Kent Hovind's buffoonery. At the end of the day Hovind will tell you you'll burn in hell, but if he could I have a feeling Ham would burn you himself.

--Percy


    
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Message 50 of 77 (575206)
08-19-2010 3:36 AM


A couple of interesting articles (quote mining / non-believing clergy)
The first one is fairly short. A fine exploration on how the greater context may say the opposite of what a little select quote seems to say:

Jason Rosenhouse (August 26, 2005) - Why do Scientists Get So Angry when Dealing with ID Proponents?
http://www.csicop.org/...show/why_do_scientists_get_so_angry

The second is a 28 page pdf about active clergy members who are considerably less than "full believers":

Daniel C. Dennett and Linda LaScola
Center for Cognitive Studies
Tufts University, Medford MA 02155
March 15, 2010 -
Preachers who are not Believers
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/...n-Believing-Clergy.pdf

I had saved copies of both of these, but managed to track down the sources via my download history. Oddly enough, right now I'm having all kinds of "problem loading page / server not found" problems for all kinds of sites - Thus I can't check if the above links are still good.

Moose

Edited by Minnemooseus, : Add authors and article titles.


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Message 51 of 77 (575279)
08-19-2010 9:49 AM
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08-19-2010 3:36 AM


Re: A couple of interesting articles (quote mining / non-believing clergy)
Thus I can't check if the above links are still good.

Yes, the links are still good.

On the first link, I mostly agree with Jason Rosenhouse, though he might be mistaken about whether the ID folk are actually lying (telling deliberate untruths). Perhaps I give them too much benefit of the doubt, but it seems to me that honestly do believe that they see a hand of design in whatever they look at. So when they selectively quote, the intention might not be to misrepresent (though that is the effect). The intention might be to pick out what they see as the most important issues. That is, it may mostly a matter on confirmation bias, rather than intentional misrepresentation.

The second link was one that I thought very interesting. At that time, I actually started a discussion thread at DreamCatcher, but it seems that nobody else found it interesting enough to join the discussion.


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Minnemooseus
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Message 52 of 77 (575402)
08-19-2010 9:32 PM
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08-19-2010 9:49 AM


Key paragraph from "Preachers who are not Believers"
Wanted to add this yesterday, but had internet connection problems.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/...n-Believing-Clergy.pdf
Page 23:

quote:
What gives them this impression that they are far from alone, and how did this strange and sorrowful state of affairs arise? The answer seems to lie in the seminary experience shared by all our pastors, liberals and literals alike. Even some conservative seminaries staff their courses on the Bible with professors who are trained in textual criticism, the historical methods of biblical scholarship, and what is taught in those courses is not what the young seminarians learned in Sunday school, even in the more liberal churches. In seminary they were introduced to many of the details that have been gleaned by centuries of painstaking research about how various ancient texts came to be written, copied, translated, and, after considerable jockeying and logrolling, eventually assembled into the Bible we read today. It is hard if not impossible to square these new facts with the idea that the Bible is in all its particulars a true account of actual events, let alone the inerrant word of God. It is interesting that all our pastors report the same pattern of response among their fellow students: some were fascinated, but others angrily rejected what their professors tried to teach them. Whatever their initial response to these unsettling revelations, the cat was out of the bag and both liberals and literals discerned the need to conceal their knowledge about the history of Christianity from their congregations.

The various seminaries often do not gloss over the problematic aspects of the Bible etc.

Please give the Dreamcatcher topic a try, if anyone wishes to debate this theme.

Moose


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Message 53 of 77 (609450)
03-20-2011 12:18 PM


Punctuated Equilibria video
Discovered via http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/...3/punctuated-equilibria.html

quote:
This is an old video from 1991 but it does an excellent job of explaining punctuated equilibria. That's because it features Niles Eldridge and Stephen Jay Gould.

There are two important lessons for creationists in this video. Let's hope they learn them.

1. The evidence for punctuated equilibria is based on thousands and thousands of fossils covering millions of years. It required a complete fossil record. It has nothing whatsoever to do with gaps in the fossil record. It's the exact opposite of gaps!

2. Evolution is observed when a single species splits into two species and that takes place over a relatively short period of time. "Relatively short period of time" does not mean that the new species poofs into existence. It means 50,000-100,000 years.

Whenever your creationist friends start lying to you about punctuated equilibria you can ask them to watch this video. You'd think that would stop them from spreading misinformation but then you realize that this video is 20 years old.

Facts don't seem to matter to creationists.1

1. In the interests of fairness, I should note that there are a great many evolutionists who also don't understand punctuated equilibria. I'm really posting this video for them and not for the creationists.

[Hat Tip: Greg Laden]


Moose

Side plug: http://americanloons.blogspot.com/


    
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Message 54 of 77 (615166)
05-11-2011 2:20 AM


Chris Rodda - Liars For Jesus: The Religious Right's Alternate Version ...
Found via http://scienceblogs.com/...05/do_well_by_doing_good.php#more (see more links there, although the Daily Show link seems to be out of date).

Chris Rodda has made her book Liars For Jesus: The Religious Right's Alternate Version of American History available for free:

http://www.liarsforjesus.com/downloads/LFJ_FINAL.pdf

Something to go on your hard drive, next to the authoritarians book.

Moose


Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


    
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Message 55 of 77 (618581)
06-04-2011 4:17 AM


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http://creationvsevolution.freeforums.org
    
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Message 56 of 77 (663942)
05-27-2012 9:36 PM


This is now a "pinned" topic
Of course, it's only pinned at the "Links and Information" forum index page.

Quoting myself from message 1:

If you look through the index of the "Links and Information" forum you will find a hoard of micro-topics.

As I interpret it's purpose, "L&I" is a place to put various essentially bare links. It is NOT a forum for debating.

and

PLEASE PUT A GOOD SUBTITLE ON YOUR MESSAGE. THEN THE TOPIC'S INDEX WILL SERVE AS A TABLE OF CONTENTS TO FIND SAID LINKS.

AS ALWAYS, THIS TOPIC AND THIS FORUM IS NOT A PLACE FOR DEBATE. IF YOU FIND SOMETHING HERE YOU WISH TO DEBATE, FIND A SUITABLE TOPIC FOR SUCH, OR PROPOSE A NEW ONE.

Anyway, this is a good place to dump those links to Creation/Evolution things you found interesting, instead of starting a new "L&I" topic.

I think I am also going to start a "Coffee House" variation of this topic, for misc. non-Creation/Evolution type links.

Adminnemooseus


    
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Message 57 of 77 (664000)
05-28-2012 10:58 AM


Evolution News and Views
Figured I would include this did not see where it had been posted.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/

{Via quick review, this appears to be a pro-intelligent design site - Adminnemooseus}

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.


  
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Message 58 of 77 (666079)
06-21-2012 8:23 PM


The Rocks Don't Lie: A Geologist Investigates Noah's Flood
New book coming out.

Found via http://scienceblogs.com/...-dont-lie-geology-and-flood-myths

Amazon page

Moose


    
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Message 59 of 77 (666829)
06-29-2012 9:19 PM


Animal hybrids photos
Coolest Hybrid Animals

The last one really gave me a chuckle:

St. Bernard + Basset Hound = St. Basset Hound

- although I can't rule out photo manipulation on that one.

Moose


    
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Message 60 of 77 (668249)
07-19-2012 12:32 AM


Tree of Life web project
http://www.tolweb.org/tree/

Finders credit to Taq, here.

Moose


    
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