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Lithodid-Man
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Message 61 of 106 (669932)
08-06-2012 12:47 PM


“Gill slits” by any other name
I was recently sent this link to an article by Troy Britain called "Gill slits by any other name". I found it a great read and a really nice summary of the creationist errors (lack of understanding? Perhaps deception?) about pharyngeal pouches in chordates. http://pigeonchess.com/...05/31/gill-slits-by-any-other-name

Edited by Lithodid-Man, : Spelling error


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Message 62 of 106 (694746)
03-27-2013 5:08 PM


On Huff Po this afternoon
Literal Genesis Trial Proposed To Put Evolution vs. Creationism Before A Judge

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...m-evolution-_n_2963220.html


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Message 63 of 106 (713033)
12-09-2013 10:10 AM


Dallas north and Odessa
ICR is coming to town:

http://www.icr.org/event/1234/
and
http://www.icr.org/event/1238/

And also, to Perryton, Texas. But that's in April at the height of Wind Season.


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Message 64 of 106 (714982)
12-30-2013 7:25 PM


ID theory (or lack of), Liberal College Professors
The Vacuity of ID:
http://scienceblogs.com/...blog/2013/12/27/the-vacuity-of-id

Why Are So Many College Professors Politically Liberal?:
http://scienceblogs.com/...ge-professors-politically-liberal

Moose


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Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

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"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

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Message 65 of 106 (715145)
01-01-2014 7:29 PM


Nice blog (creationists won't like it)
Looking Ahead: The Controversy In 2014, by The Sensuous Curmudgeon

Here it comes — our year-end rant that will upset almost everyone. This has become a tradition around here — as each year comes to a close, we discuss what the new year will be like in The Controversy between evolution and creationism. Some of this is copied from our year-end posts of earlier years, because certain things never change.

Lots more

http://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/...ntroversy-in-2014


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Message 66 of 106 (715272)
01-02-2014 8:01 PM


Geological Reasoning: Geology as an interpretive and historical science
Stealing a roxrkool message from elsewhere:

roxrkool writes:

Do a little research on "historical sciences."

There are experimental (observational) sciences, whose goal is to identify and test physical laws, and historical/interpretive sciences, whose goal is to research past events and reconstruct the history of these events.

A good place to start is the paper Geological Reasoning: Geology as an interpretive and historical science, R. Frodeman, 1995 (PDF).

And a short excerpt that I liked:

quote:
Like art history, with which it shares a strongly visual component, geology is an especially hermeneutic science: the outcrop typically means nothing to the uninitiated until the geologist introduces concepts for ‘‘seeing’’ the rock.

Moose


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Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


    
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Message 67 of 106 (719304)
02-13-2014 2:06 AM


"All Science is Historical Science"
Food for thought on a current topic.

All Science is Historical Science


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Percy
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Message 68 of 106 (719315)
02-13-2014 7:02 AM
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02-13-2014 2:06 AM


Re: "All Science is Historical Science"
I've often argued this position but have never managed to say it as well as this:

John Timmer writes:

Almost all science is fundamentally a reconstruction of the past—the only difference is how far into the past the reconstruction reaches.

--Percy


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Message 69 of 106 (719399)
02-13-2014 10:14 PM
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02-13-2014 2:06 AM


Re: "All Science is Historical Science"
Apparently, a concept far too advanced for Creationists to understand.

Ham didn't bother to explain why this assumption would be problematic, but that's really irrelevant given that we don't assume that the laws extend into the indefinite past. We have evidence that they do.

Edited by roxrkool, : No reason given.


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Message 70 of 106 (719402)
02-13-2014 10:30 PM
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02-13-2014 2:06 AM


Re: "All Science is Historical Science"
Just more definitional questionbegging. Either you can validate your interpretations to the satisfaction of all who understand your test or you have only interpretations. Too much of both old earth geology and evolutionist genetics is nothing but interpretation that is subject to other interpretations. But apparently nobody wants to recognize what this controversy is REALLY about, you'd rather define it out of existence, makes you all feel warm and fuzzy.
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Message 71 of 106 (719410)
02-13-2014 11:17 PM
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02-13-2014 10:30 PM


Re: "All Science is Historical Science"
... But apparently nobody wants to recognize what this controversy is REALLY about, you'd rather define it out of existence, makes you all feel warm and fuzzy.

Then answer Message 116 -- this is a non-debate thread (see title)


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Message 72 of 106 (720076)
02-20-2014 7:09 AM


There was an extremely well balanced discussion amongst experts on Social Darwinism on BBC radio this morning. There's a podcast available - I don't know whether US people can get it or not.

This should fill in the details for a discussion that was going on elsewhere on another topic.

Social Darwinism 20 Feb 14

Thu, 20 Feb 14
Duration:
42 mins

Social Darwinism was the idea that Charles Darwin's theory about evolution, as set out in his masterpiece On the Origin of Species in 1859, could also be applied to human society.

One thinker particularly associated with this movement was Herbert Spencer, who argued that competition among humans was beneficial, because it ensured that only the healthiest and most intelligent individuals would succeed.

Social Darwinism remained influential for several decades, although its connection with eugenics and adoption as an ideological position by Fascist regimes ensured its eventual downfall from intellectual respectability.

Melvyn Bragg is joined by Adam Kuper, Centennial Professor of Anthropology at the LSE, University of London; Gregory Radick, Professor of History and Philosophy of Science at the University of Leeds and Charlotte Sleigh, Reader in the History of Science at the University of Kent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/iot


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Message 73 of 106 (728220)
05-25-2014 6:27 PM


Questioning Answers In Genesis (OEC blog)
Found via link in this.

http://questioninganswersingenesis.blogspot.com/

http://questioninganswersingenesis.blogspot.../...ntact.html
http://questioninganswersingenesis.blogspot.../...rs-in.html

I haven't looked at a lot there yet, but did read this one, concerning the recent "Noah" movie:
Why Aronofsky's Noah is more biblical than Ham's

We don't seem to have much old Earth creationist input here, thus this guy may be interesting to follow (catch phrase that shan't be typed).

Moose


Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


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Message 74 of 106 (728253)
05-26-2014 9:18 AM
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05-25-2014 6:27 PM


Snelling concedes age
Adding Snelling Concedes Age of Earth to Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1

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Message 75 of 106 (728527)
05-30-2014 1:16 AM


Understanding Creationism
The first of an intended series of posts written by a former creationist on The Panda's Thumb

Understanding Creationism 1


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