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LudoRephaim
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Message 1 of 134 (306538)
04-25-2006 3:46 PM


Okay, this is a debate for one on one or one on 2 about who or what the Nephilim where.

The Nephilim where the pre-flood Giants of Genesis 6:4. They are said to be the offspring of the "Sons of God" and the "Daughters of Men", and they are said to have somehow re-appeared long after the flood, even being around during the days of Moses (Numbers 13:33)They seem to be quite large, but where they just giants, or was there something more to them?

these are the questions I want to discuss:

1: Who or what where the Nephilim?

2: Who where the "Sons of God"?

and

3: Could a giant race of humans like the Nephilim (aside from possible supernatural qualities)be possible?

I would like to debate with someone who is knowledgeable of the Bible (Arachnophilia, or Riverrat) as well as someone who knows physics and or Biology (Noseyned, maybe Crashfrog, etc) but I only want to adress 1 or 2 people, not a barrage of fellows.

rules for debate:

1. No wisecrack remarks (rebuttal okay, but be nice).
2. Keep it civil.
3. Have fun :)


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LudoRephaim
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Message 2 of 134 (306545)
04-25-2006 4:15 PM


BTW: If you are just going to flat out say that "The Nephilim are myth and nothing more" and have that as your argument, then dont join the discussion. If you believe that they are and say as such, then that is okay, but at least come up with possibilities as to what they could be or could have been, or at least what they could have been based on. Dont just wright it off as "fiction" or "Mythology" and try to show that the Bible is wrong (a waste of time)

If you just say "Mythology" and leave it as that, then I will not Respond.

Peace

This message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 04-25-2006 04:17 PM


"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
  
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Message 3 of 134 (306548)
04-25-2006 4:25 PM
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04-25-2006 3:46 PM


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    LudoRephaim
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    Message 4 of 134 (306550)
    04-25-2006 4:37 PM
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    04-25-2006 4:25 PM


    Re: Call for volunteers.
    Hey dude :)

    My positions would be

    1: the Nephilim where a race of human/angel hybrid giants who came about both before and after the flood by angels or other supernatural beings marrying and making love to human women.

    2: The "Sons of God" where angels, Cherubim, or some other kind of supernatural being.

    3: The idea that a race of "Giant" or "Gigantic" humans coming about not only is possible (Biologically) but has already happened. I'll provide proof and shocking ideas on why this is true. (this will be where Biologists, Zoologists, Paleontologists, Historians, Archeologists, Physicists, and people with a PHD in Useless Information like Myself (LOL) will help out.)

    Please join the debate, anybody who would like to attend:D

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    LudoRephaim
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    Message 5 of 134 (306869)
    04-26-2006 7:49 PM


    I guess so far no one wants to tango in this issue. I'll give it a few more days.


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    LudoRephaim
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    Message 6 of 134 (306870)
    04-26-2006 7:50 PM


    I wonder if there is a way that I could contact Arachnophilia about it. I would like to have him on it. I'll try something.


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    LudoRephaim
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    Message 7 of 134 (307707)
    04-29-2006 11:51 AM


    One last call: Does anybody want to debate about the Nephilim?


    "The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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    Message 8 of 134 (307729)
    04-29-2006 1:53 PM
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    04-29-2006 11:51 AM


    Frankly taking the position they aren't just myth
    makes this more or less like discussing the Giant that Jack saw.

    I doubt that you will find anyone that wants to discuss this with you.


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    LudoRephaim
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    Message 9 of 134 (307749)
    04-29-2006 2:58 PM
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    04-29-2006 1:53 PM


    Re: Frankly taking the position they aren't just myth
    I was just not wanting to get into another one of those "prove the Bible " debates. But i'll allow any to say that the Nephilim are indeed mythological and nothing but. But they have to give some substance as to if Giant humans like the Nephilim could have existed or not (biology, Zoology, Paleontology, archeology, History, Evolutionary masters are welcome. Bible scholars (Jar, Arachnophilia, Faith, RiverRat, Buzsaw) and anybody else who would like to join in on the discusion (Green man, NWR, and my good freind Chirp!)

    New rules:

    1: who where the Nephilim (Angel/human giant hybrids, Mythology, Abnormally large humans, Neanderthals, etc)

    2: who where the sons of God (Angels, Cherubim, Supernatural beings, ancient kings, Mythology, Monsters, Giants, Wizards, etc)

    3: could a race of giant humans be possible Biologically, Physically, and evolution wise?


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    Message 10 of 134 (307750)
    04-29-2006 3:00 PM


    My views:

    1: Nephilim where angel/human hybrid giants.

    2: the Sons of God where angels.

    3: A race of giant humans is not only possible, but has also occured....


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    Message 11 of 134 (307755)
    04-29-2006 3:02 PM


    BTW: I will debate with 2 individuals. One is okay, but two would be interesting.

    Engineers also welcome:)


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    Message 12 of 134 (307760)
    04-29-2006 3:17 PM


    Okay. atfer reading Arach, ill post this as a normal thread.


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    Message 13 of 134 (307786)
    04-29-2006 4:24 PM
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    04-29-2006 3:17 PM


    Okay, moving
    I'll stick in the Great Debate area and we will try to minimize the number of folk involved.


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    Message 14 of 134 (307789)
    04-29-2006 4:24 PM


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    Message 15 of 134 (307794)
    04-29-2006 4:44 PM
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    04-29-2006 3:17 PM


    Okay. atfer reading Arach, ill post this as a normal thread.

    ok, i'll fire the first (predictable) shot, just to get this going.

    what evidence do you have the nephilim were giant?


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