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Wounded King
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Message 76 of 134 (310472)
05-09-2006 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Hyroglyphx
05-09-2006 9:35 AM


Re: Hobbits!
Homo floresiensis was most likely, completley human, and once named "Ebu Gogo's."

Your link says nothing about Homo floriensis being completely human. Do you have anything that would support that contention?

TTFN,

WK


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Message 77 of 134 (311328)
05-12-2006 3:44 AM
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04-29-2006 11:51 AM


I have an opinion about that. I think they were angels.
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LudoRephaim
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Message 78 of 134 (313247)
05-18-2006 4:22 PM
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05-08-2006 10:11 PM


Re: rephaim???
Arachnophilia writes:

biblical

Classical Hebrew is Biblical Hebrew. They teach it at several colleges and many, many seminaries (Though some that I know that took it seem to have not used it and rememebr less than they did)

I bought a Old Testament hebrew flashcard set, so I hope I will learn at least a little of it in the summer.

on the Rephaim: THey could be Giants and a race of people. It is cool to study.


"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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LudoRephaim
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Message 79 of 134 (313251)
05-18-2006 4:28 PM
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05-12-2006 3:44 AM


Hey Whisper :)

There are some that think the Nephilim where angels or a race of demi-gods, though I dont believe either idea. I hold that they where angel/human giants, though others have their ideas.

I believe some of the anicents believed that the nephilim where angels (Nephilim: Fallen ones. "Fallen" angels?) though the interpretation that they where supernatural giants descended from angels and mortal women is the better view (and probably the oldest interpretation as well)

neat idea though.


"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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LudoRephaim
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Message 80 of 134 (313255)
05-18-2006 4:43 PM
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05-09-2006 9:35 AM


good links
Hey Juggy. Thanks for the links :)

I didnt see anything that showed the "Hobbits" where humo sapiens like you and me, Though they might just be modern humans. their anatomy seems to show them as a new species of human (like Neanderthals and the Heidelbergs)a descendant of Homo Erectus, though I still consider them human, a human in ways unlike us (DNA, bone atatomy, etc) but still a human, and in a Biblical term, Created in the image of God. DNA should enlighten us about their humanity.

It would be great if they where still around.


"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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LudoRephaim
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Message 81 of 134 (313256)
05-18-2006 4:46 PM
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05-09-2006 10:22 AM


Answersingenesis makes the claim that the Flores Hobbits where fully human. If y'all want, i shalt post a link.

Kind of odd: Paleoanthropology has proven that "hobbits" and even "Giants" (Heidelberg man) exist. JRR Tolkien and CS Lewis would be amazed.

Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.


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Message 82 of 134 (313258)
05-18-2006 4:52 PM
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05-18-2006 4:46 PM


Answers in genesis
You could post it but prepare for the response - AIG has no credibility at all and is generally seen as a crank site by atheists and less hardcore Christians alike.

The simple rule of thumb seems to be "if it's on AIG - it's not true".

Edited by CK, : No reason given.


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LudoRephaim
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Message 83 of 134 (313301)
05-18-2006 6:54 PM
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05-18-2006 4:52 PM


Re: Answers in genesis
CK: CharlesKnight??

Anyway: I dont agree with a lot of what AIG says (They call old earthers like myself Bible compromisers)but they do have a few good articles. Me and Arach agreed that it shouldn't be used in arguments here (as you said, it wouldn't be taken seriously), but I brought it up when the idea that the "Hobbits" where modern humans (they have a big article on it, last time I checked.)

I was just trying to show where Juggy might be getting some info.

Interesting: Although AIG oftens talks about dinosaurs with Noah, evidence for the flood and a 6,000 year old earth, dragons and other interesting facts, I have rarely seen something about Giants on the AIG website. There is an article on the Nephilim, but not much more.


"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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DrJones*
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Message 84 of 134 (313317)
05-18-2006 7:30 PM
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05-18-2006 4:46 PM


"Giants" (Heidelberg man)

I'd like to see some verification that Homo heildelbergenis was a "giant". All the material I've seen provides an average height of ~6', hardly a giant.

Edited by DrJones*, : added last sentance


Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor
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Message 85 of 134 (313366)
05-18-2006 9:09 PM
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05-18-2006 4:28 PM


quote:
There are some that think the Nephilim where angels or a race of demi-gods, though I dont believe either idea. I hold that they where angel/human giants, though others have their ideas.

I think that angels married earth girls, and the children were giants.

Another thing, is why do those angels have to be bad? I think maybe most were good ones. What's wrong with sex and marriage and children?


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Message 86 of 134 (313371)
05-18-2006 9:50 PM
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05-18-2006 9:09 PM


Another thing, is why do those angels have to be bad? I think maybe most were good ones. What's wrong with sex and marriage and children?

Well, look at it this way. There are only two kinds of angels, the kind that rebelled against God and followed Lucifer/Satan, otherwise known as fallen angels, and the kind that remained true to God and serve Him constantly. The second kind are not going to be fooling around with earthlings. Edit: They are supposed to be protectors of and ministers to human beings who are saved.

Edited by Faith, : shown in text


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Message 87 of 134 (313393)
05-18-2006 11:21 PM
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05-18-2006 9:50 PM


Well, a husband protects the wife. If they married our girls, they looked after them. What is so bad about that? Was Adam bad for biffing Eve?
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ReverendDG
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Message 88 of 134 (313403)
05-18-2006 11:48 PM
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05-18-2006 9:09 PM


Another thing, is why do those angels have to be bad? I think maybe most were good ones. What's wrong with sex and marriage and children?

the problem was that the angels taught mankind things they shouldn't have, spells, war, etc
enoch despite not being in the canons of most of the bibles, gives insight into how the hebrews explained the giants and the flood

god didn't want man to know the things the angels did or have the angels mate with man
the story is another example of how best to piss off god :)


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Message 89 of 134 (313409)
05-19-2006 12:47 AM
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quote:
the problem was that the angels taught mankind things they shouldn't have, spells, war, etc

But this is not in the bible. Some angels had rebelled, yes, we know that. But having sex with women was no crime, I would contend.
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ReverendDG
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Message 90 of 134 (313422)
05-19-2006 3:13 AM
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05-19-2006 12:47 AM


But this is not in the bible. Some angels had rebelled, yes, we know that. But having sex with women was no crime, I would contend.

sure its in the bible, its in enoch
and yes part of it was having sex with women and the result of children from said relations
being tha angels are immortal wouldn't that make man immortal? well produce half-gods?
then again the bibles not exactly linear anyway
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