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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 1 of 33 (341999)
08-21-2006 2:56 PM


Page not found - aish.com
Jew haters in action.
Ray

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kuresu
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Message 2 of 33 (342066)
08-21-2006 4:42 PM
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08-21-2006 2:56 PM


and just how many of us trust the media?
I don't. well, except for stephen colbert
but I bet you wouldn't complain if they would've intentionally mischaracterized Hezbollah, huh?

All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences

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arachnophilia
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Message 3 of 33 (342226)
08-22-2006 1:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cold Foreign Object
08-21-2006 2:56 PM


as a photographer myself, i feel the need to comment. three comments, actually.
one. people retouch photos all the time. really. it's not like the photographer photoshopped in the smoke, that really is beirut on fire. i realize that in photojournalism, you're supposed to keep the touch-ups to a minimum, but you'd be suprised the stuff that happens between camera and page. some retouching is always meccessary. cameras simply do not capture reality the way we see it, and so we need to "correct" certain things, dodging and burning, adujusting levels and color balance, cleaning up specks, etc.
two. this does not excuse the (shit-poor) use of the clone brush to enlarge the smoke. having seen to original, it's a much better image anyways. the color and tones are better, and the sky is actually blue. this photographer screwed himself in more ways than one.
three. i'm absolutely appalled that an editor didn't catch this sooner. that's really the second worst use of a clone brush i have ever seen. i can do better in my sleep. i think the blame partly rests on the reuters people who failed to catch this monstrosity.


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arachnophilia
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Message 4 of 33 (342231)
08-22-2006 1:40 AM
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08-22-2006 1:05 AM


proper use of the clone brush
just to prove that i do know what i'm talking about in this area, and because i always enjoy a chance to show off a little, here's an example of how to properly use the clone brush.
this picture was on a roll of agfapan apx 100 (which isn't even made anymore), developed in rodinol 1:50 solution. that's about 17 minutes development time, which is abnormally long. that's one important factor in this story. the other important factor is that i develop in a small metal tank, by hand, with pronged (as opposed to clip) reels. that means that if i agitate the tank too much, the film slips off the prongs, and slowly works its way outward around the spiral reel. when it comes off the end, it gets mashed between the metal reels (and their struts), and the side of the tank. the longer the development time, the more likely it is that this will happen.
in this case, it punched huge gaping holes in my negatives. disaster? clone brush to the rescue. compare the original scan (top) to the partially-retouched scan (bottom). i could have actually smooted it out a little more, and gotten rid of the other specks, but really, you can just go clone-crazy and spend weeks editting every little grain of dust out of a scanned piece of film.
Edited by arachnophilia, : typo


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mick
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Message 5 of 33 (342240)
08-22-2006 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cold Foreign Object
08-21-2006 2:56 PM


I guess Israel didn't bomb the fuck out of Lebanon after all. It was all just doctored photos
Mick

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 6 of 33 (342420)
08-22-2006 2:25 PM
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08-22-2006 3:16 AM


I guess Israel didn't bomb the fuck out of Lebanon after all. It was all just doctored photos
The real point is that the Media are not innocent messengers, but biased supporters, parading under a false pretext, of persons who initiate border crossings resulting in kidnapping, murder, and war.
We could only wonder how you are able to understand and debate scientific matters, yet remain unable to comprehend the easier matter just described.
Ray

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CK
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Message 7 of 33 (342423)
08-22-2006 2:31 PM


Links and information is for links and information not debate
isn't it?

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Message 8 of 33 (342436)
08-22-2006 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by CK
08-22-2006 2:31 PM


Re: Links and information is evolution/creation items, and maybe Biblical archaeology
I think.

"These monkeys are at once the ugliest and the most beautiful creatures on the planet./ And the monkeys don't want to be monkeys; they want to be something else./ But they're not."
-- Ernie Cline

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Message 9 of 33 (342439)
08-22-2006 3:57 PM
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08-22-2006 3:54 PM


Re: Links and information is evolution/creation items, and maybe Biblical archaeology
but if I reply to you aren't we have a debate about the matter?

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kuresu
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Message 10 of 33 (342549)
08-22-2006 10:32 PM
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08-22-2006 3:57 PM


Re: Links and information is evolution/creation items, and maybe Biblical archaeology
yeah . . .
hmm . . .
I guess we debate junkies should try to walk away . . .

All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences

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Message 11 of 33 (342625)
08-23-2006 12:55 AM
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08-22-2006 10:32 PM


Re: Links and information is evolution/creation items, and maybe Biblical archaeology
If you can walk away you're not a junkie...

Oops! Wrong Planet

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kuresu
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Message 12 of 33 (342759)
08-23-2006 12:35 PM
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08-23-2006 12:55 AM


Re: Links and information is evolution/creation items, and maybe Biblical archaeology
damn you.
oh, wait. crap. doing it again. debating. urgh
I can't walk away

All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 13 of 33 (342803)
08-23-2006 4:30 PM
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08-22-2006 2:31 PM


Re: Links and information is for links and information not debate
Links and information is for links and information not debate
isn't it?
This is an attempt to prod Moderation into action because CK is anrgy about my points and is unable to counter.
Ray

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 14 of 33 (342807)
08-23-2006 4:36 PM
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08-21-2006 4:42 PM


The media we are talking about is the same media that accepts without question, and without dissent, everything that Darwinists say. The ancestors of Moses are under attack by the worldview ancestors of Charles Darwin.
Ray

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RickJB
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Message 15 of 33 (342835)
08-23-2006 6:06 PM
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08-22-2006 2:25 PM


Herepton writes:
The real point is that the Media are not innocent messengers, but biased supporters, parading under a false pretext, of persons who initiate border crossings resulting in kidnapping, murder, and war.
Erm, which media? The US media is pretty solidly pro-Israel, European media far less so, Middle East media is often hostile.
One piss-poor Photoshop job does not equate to some sort of worldwide anti-semitic conspiracy.
No one expects Israel to stand for Hizbollah's missile attacks, but the collective punishment of the Lebanese people is still unjustified. The fact remains that Israel DID bomb the shit out of Lebanon and has killed over 1000 innocent Lebanese civilians in an attempt to defeat Hizbollah.
Not that you give a shit, you're too busy worrying about some photograph....
Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

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