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CK
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Message 61 of 125 (238047)
08-28-2005 4:50 PM
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08-28-2005 4:48 PM


Re: I'm concerned this may not be a good idea...
quote:
but it'd be a headache for us. how do we know it's the right people? password it?
each email would contain a system-generated pin number
quote:
and what about cross referencing opinion with field and qualifications?
First two questions pull-down or tickbuttons for age/qualification?

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arachnophilia
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Message 62 of 125 (238048)
08-28-2005 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by CK
08-28-2005 4:42 PM


Re: I'm concerned this may not be a good idea...
I have all of the current email - feel free to edit them out.
You pull the master and then I'll remove the link.
alright, i have the master excel file bookmarked, and i've removed all of the emails i've found.

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arachnophilia
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Message 63 of 125 (238049)
08-28-2005 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by CK
08-28-2005 4:50 PM


Re: I'm concerned this may not be a good idea...
each email would contain a system-generated pin number
if you can do that, that'd be cool. i have no idea about how to do that sort of thing.
First two questions pull-down or tickbuttons for age/qualification?
yeah, i was thinking about asking about education, etc, anyways. so that'd solve that. we just have to trust them to answer honestly lol.

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arachnophilia
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Message 64 of 125 (238050)
08-28-2005 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by RAZD
08-28-2005 3:59 PM


Re: Can we take care of the concerns?
Who knows, we might even encourage some to become active members on this forum.
actually, that would be really cool. however, for general safety reasons, it'd probably be better that we don't directly link the survey to evc.
This is easy to resolve by emailing this information to the keeper of the list rather than posting it here. This would also help develop a separation between the forum and the activity.
Anyone looking up the data can check the list to see who is already covered.
that's a good idea.
NOT BECAUSE THERE ARE ANY MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH THE SCIENCE OF EVOLUTION.
400 signatures on that should not be too hard to get, especially from biologists, and would totally invalidate the postion made by DI because their statement is unqualified.
pretty much. their statement is pretty vague. right now, i think, we should just stick to examining the varied intricacies of the positions their vaguary encompasses.

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Message 65 of 125 (238055)
08-28-2005 5:16 PM
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08-28-2005 4:58 PM


Re: Can we take care of the concerns?
Opps sorry ONLY sounds like Spamming and you didn't see the Technical
problems (with browser buggie) over at this machine FYI In the risk of sounding like on it's a "refresh" screen-refresh issue, bug. Again, At the risk of Spamming or being in violation of the TOS little patience or go fuck'em all (including yourself)
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arachnophilia
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Message 66 of 125 (238056)
08-28-2005 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Godfearingatheist
08-28-2005 5:16 PM


STOP SPAMMING.
please. your pnt was rejected -- go back and work on it. this is not the place for this.

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Message 67 of 125 (238057)
08-28-2005 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by arachnophilia
08-28-2005 4:58 PM


Re: Can we take care of the concerns?
Speaking of ARROGANT dishonesty..
Amplifcation of ancient DNA is done using standard PCR techniques, but withthe inclusion of numerous extraction and amplifcation negative controls and the use of a large number of 'amplifcation' cycles. The PCR products are analyzed differently with ancient-DNA
As to the previous point:No How are creationists seen as a contributing to the understanding of these areas of consideration What can we say, are they even trusting labs or what?!?
Research too oftenly was sluffed over or given a gross over simplication? Seeing this is the case, wouldn't it boarder interpretational dishonesty ? For me to engage anyone on subjects as technical as these without first attempting to gain a better understanding (particularly when it touches on a controversial analyses) shows an disasterousness towards [the body of] data ..
Laboratoire de Biologie Molculaire du Gnome Eukaryote writes:
..fossils are always contaminated (the majority of which are unknown) the use of fossil extracts as probes does not allow the testing of their hybridization properties .. In the stability of human-chimpanzee DNA hybrids. DNAs were applied on a nylon membrane and were hybridized with human and chimpanzee DNA ..as probes
*******************************************************
Hasn't Spammers addressed a larger subject:
IMO 'It's not quite that simple ...we simply don't know enough..'"

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Message 68 of 125 (238069)
08-28-2005 5:53 PM
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08-28-2005 5:16 PM


Re: Can we take care of the concerns?
You're out for awhile.
If you are allowed back in, do not try to spam your rejected PNT in other threads. Learn some manners. Learn grammar, sentence structure, punctuation and to follow directions.

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mick
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Message 69 of 125 (238107)
08-28-2005 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by arachnophilia
08-28-2005 4:53 PM


Re: I'm concerned this may not be a good idea...
hi arachnophilia and charles,
just a couple of further points -
I think the email should be signed by Charles (as he was the one who proposed it) and anybody else who makes a significant contribution to its content
The email would not be spam as it would be sent to known individuals identified for a specific purpose. Legally it isn't spam.
I think that a web survey with anonymity would be the only realistic way of doing it. Charles seems to know how to do this - i would also be happy to help as I've done auto-emails etc. before. On the question of spam, an assurance that email addresses on file will be destroyed after the survey is finished, etc., would probably be sensible.
If the admins are not keen on getting involved I suggest Charles put together an email list of those who are interested and it's carried out off-board. But having a record here at evc of the considerations that went into carrying out such a project would actually be quite useful. For example arranging such a project in association with a public web forum would guarantee at least some level of democracy and guarantee that creationists, ID supporters etc. might criticise the content of the web survey prior to it going out. So I hope you admin folks consider that!
Cheers
Mick
added in edit: of course, doing it privately might also prevent creationists, ID supporters etc from publicising the survey prior to going out, and generally might cause less fuss and make the survey results correspond better with reality...
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arachnophilia
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Message 70 of 125 (238138)
08-28-2005 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by mick
08-28-2005 8:58 PM


Re: I'm concerned this may not be a good idea...
I think the email should be signed by Charles (as he was the one who proposed it) and anybody else who makes a significant contribution to its content
actually, i proposed the whole thing. not trying to steal any credit for charles -- he's organizing the data which helps alot. he's also going to handle the actual email list and the survey.
For example arranging such a project in association with a public web forum would guarantee at least some level of democracy and guarantee that creationists, ID supporters etc. might criticise the content of the web survey prior to it going out. So I hope you admin folks consider that!
yes, i definitally want input from creationists and id'ers. i want this to be totally fair, and as without bias as possible.

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CK
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Message 71 of 125 (238191)
08-29-2005 5:08 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by arachnophilia
08-28-2005 11:30 PM


Re: I'm concerned this may not be a good idea...
yeah I'm the backoffice guy!

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Message 72 of 125 (238237)
08-29-2005 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by CK
08-29-2005 5:08 AM


Re: I'm concerned this may not be a good idea...
I found a couple of emails:
(Removed later in edit)
Dewey Hodges
Dan Hale
Graham Gutsche
James Harman
James Harbrecht
Nolan Hertel
Paul Hausgen
Roland Hirsch
/soren
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CK
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Message 73 of 125 (238239)
08-29-2005 9:45 AM
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08-29-2005 9:32 AM


Re: I'm concerned this may not be a good idea...
thanks saved - you want to edit out the addresses in your post?

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kongstad
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Message 74 of 125 (238491)
08-30-2005 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by CK
08-29-2005 9:45 AM


Re: I'm concerned this may not be a good idea...
Where can we see which addresses have been found?
I'm home today with a cold, so if my head clears up I could track down some more addresses later - its fun
/Soren
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Message 75 of 125 (238517)
08-30-2005 7:03 AM
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08-30-2005 3:36 AM


Re: I'm concerned this may not be a good idea...
http://www.cgknight.f2s.com/400list280805.xls
bookmark it.
you can check to see that your findings are on the list and then delete them from posts here (so spammers can't find them)

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