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arachnophilia
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Message 19 of 384 (430570)
10-26-2007 1:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by anglagard
10-24-2007 3:09 AM


I have noticed that according to {Bibolators} one book in particular, Genesis, is considered literally inerrant, yet other books, such as Deuteronomy or Leviticus can just be ignored depending upon the personal whim of the fundie.
i'm going to offer a simple explanation, and one that will sound incredibly insulting at first, but i'm sure that many will admit to.
it's because genesis is the first book of the bible, and that's all they've actually read. the "it's one book, start at the beginning" mentality comes into play here. if you can make i through numbers, you've got some determination, but leviticus will shatter that. what a boring read those two books are! after that, all your average fundie really knows are the "proof texts."
as dwise1 states, it's all about fast indoctrination these days, and not actualy open and honest bible study and discussion. so people get all concerned about genesis being literal, without being too aware of books like kings (another boring read). they might know some isaiah here and there, but you'll be hard-pressed to find someone quoting the minor prophets. and they'll pick up on the "hot button" talking points, like homosexuality, without really much having processed even the message of the gospels. why, the very chapter of leviticus between the two "no butt sex" commandments says "love your neighbour as yourself."
...how Biblical fundamentalists pick and choose what portions of the Bible that one should live by and what portions one is allowed to ignore.
this is actually a sort of minor issue, i think. what people choose to follow or not follow is a personal decision, between them and their god. the problem is that they just can't leave it like that for other people. it seems to me that if we are saved by grace and grace alone, and we are all sinners, we have no right to condemn others for breaking rules we mostly choose not to follow. the fundamental message of the gospel is one of love and compassion, regardless of the law. when christians ignore this part, and choose to treat others with scorn because they do not follow the law, then it is somewhat fair game to turn their own claims around.
as jesus said, "judge not, lest you be judged." by the standard you condemn others, so will you be condemned. but forgive, and you will be forgiven. it seems to me that if we pick ONE part of the bible and ignore all others, it should be this part.


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arachnophilia
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Message 21 of 384 (430576)
10-26-2007 2:02 AM
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10-26-2007 2:00 AM


i think that probably comes after the "not reading" indoctrination stage, as they struggle to keep up with their beliefs.

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arachnophilia
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Message 38 of 384 (430668)
10-26-2007 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by GDR
10-26-2007 2:34 PM


Jesus made the whole thing simple by saying that the great commands were to love God and love your neighbour and that everything else had to be taken within that context. The story of the fall of Jericho has to be looked at in that light.
perhaps it's just me, but i'm a little lost on this point. can you explain to me how we are to read genocide in the light of loving our neighbours?


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arachnophilia
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Message 43 of 384 (430675)
10-26-2007 4:42 PM
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10-26-2007 3:53 PM


Arach writes:
perhaps it's just me, but i'm a little lost on this point. can you explain to me how we are to read genocide in the light of loving our neighbours?
That's my point. You can't! I'm saying that the actual battle happened and that they actually justified it by saying God had told them to do it, in the same way that the crusaders claimed they were justified in their actions. Them saying that God had told them to do it, is very different than God actually telling them to do it.
Saying that God told you to do something, doesn't make it so.
oh! ok, then, thanks for the clarification. i would agree with that assessment.


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