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Author Topic:   Pick and Choose Fundamentalism
Jaderis
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Message 14 of 384 (430366)
10-24-2007 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Hyroglyphx
10-24-2007 7:44 PM


Re: Never condemn others on a charge you do not understand yourself
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.
There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished” he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
So explain again how this justifies cherry-picking the laws in Leviticus and Deuteronomy?
Why are sins such as murder, theft, adultery and homosexuality so much more egregious in the eyes of certain Christians than, say, working on the sabbath, back-talking to your parents or eating unclean foods?

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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Jaderis
Member (Idle past 3452 days)
Posts: 622
From: NY,NY
Joined: 06-16-2006


Message 17 of 384 (430406)
10-25-2007 3:37 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Hyroglyphx
10-24-2007 11:01 PM


Re: Never condemn others on a charge you do not understand yourself
Thanks for not answering my question at all. Again, why do some Christians take up such arms against sins such as murder, theft, adultery and homosexuality, but brush aside sins such as working on the sabbath, back-talking your parents or eating unclean foods?
If Jesus came to fulfill all the laws and we are all sinners anyway in need of salvation through Jesus, what's all the hubbub about?
I also find it interesting that I've been itching to bring up the point about "saved" Christians and the law and you touch upon that very thing here:
But unless you accept that Jesus is that perfect propitiation, you will be expected to uphold the Law in full. Denying it is to take upon yourself the truck of judgment rather than the shadow.
So, if you are "saved" then that is when you get to choose which laws you want to uphold?
It seems that way to me, especially in light of recent (and not-so-recent for that matter) *ahem* scandals. Sinning is quickly forgiven and forgotten when it is one of your own. This ties nicely in with the point that several here at EvC (and elsewhere) have addressed in various ways: if you are already "saved" what is to stop you from sinning?
Oh, I know there is something about not wanting to sin because of your personal relationship with God, but if you are no longer bound by the law and can pick and choose which laws to follow, then what is the difference between eating shellfish and fornicating? Between trimming your beard and stealing your neighbor's car?
Oh, and could you expound a little on this:
What becomes wrong about it is to hold this over people's heads as a bartering tool-- something God never intended.
What does that mean?

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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