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Topic: Fulfilled Prophecy
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 3 of 303 (373870)
01-03-2007 12:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
01-02-2007 7:37 PM
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Not Prophecy but rather Nonsense.
buz writes: Computer tech and cashless money and TV et al: Revelation 13:14 to 17 14And he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by reason of the signs which it was given him to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast who hath the stroke of the sword and lived. 15And it was given unto him to give breath to it, even to the image to the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; 17and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name. Let's just look at this bunch of total nonsense. Buz claims that it is a prophecy of "Computer tech and cashless money and TV et al:". Please point out in the section he quoted where it implies any of those things? NOTHING to do with cash. NOTHING to do with TV. NOTHING to do with Computer Tech. This is classic Prophetic Bullshit. No where does it say anything about a cash less society or anything related to cash, nothing about computers or computer tech, nothing about tv. This is the kind of absolute irrelevant fantasies brought up by the End Time Crazies and should just be laughed at. It is embarrassing that a Christian would post something that makes Christians look so stupid.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 16 of 303 (374172)
01-03-2007 8:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw
01-03-2007 7:42 PM
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Re: Not Prophecy but rather Nonsense.
Jar, to begin with cut the personal stuff and stick to refuting if that's what you intend to do. If you persist in this, moderation may be called for. Well I am but a member, you are an Admin. Cojones though are a prerequisite. I say nothing personal about you, don't know you, might even like you. All I address is your posts and frankly, your posts on theology show as little understanding of the Bible as your posts on science.
1. I didn't say cash less. I said cashless, just as the prophecy implies. The global monetary systems are continuously becoming more cashless and computerized with numbers and marks, et all. You cannot deny that. It is also becoming more essential to produce your social security number in order to buy and sell, cash or no cash. Here in NY you can't get a tax resale permit without the number and in fact the number becomes your resale certificate number. If you sell as a merchant, you need the number to account to the government for the tax you owe on it, et al. More mental masturbation Buz. No where in the crap you quoted are computer, tv or cashless transactions stated or implied. To claim that it is in there is simply false. Prophecy refuted. Try another.
2. TV is also implied. It is indeed a speaking image. So is your computer. There is an ever increasing electronic economy with buying and selling on the internet. This also requires a credit card with numbers on it et al.
I failed to mention also regarding TV that there are at least three scriptures which clearly imply TV and other electronic image/speaking media. These are Revelation 11:8-12 where the peoples of the nations view the dead bodies of two men at one location. Revelation 18:9-18 depicts the kings/rulers of the earth and the shipmasters far off viewing the smoke of the city, mystery Babylon which is destroyed in one hour, implying both electronic media/speaking image and explosives which can destroy a city in one hour. The third is that all will see Jesus coming in the clouds when he comes. All three of these were impossible until after the industrial revolution and the emergence of TV and other electronic media. More from the fantasy world of Buz. The only thing that is specific in that crap is that the number will be the same for everyone, and that the number refers to some individual, not to the bearer. The fact that you correlate that to credit cards that are unique to the individual or tax numbers that are unique to the corporate entity simply shows that you are clueless about the Biblical Passages, certainly cannot understand what is written in them or are deliberate misrepresenting the passages. Buz, I can make shit up too.
3. I failed also to mention that the ten horned beast of Revelation 13 is interpreted as global kings/rulers who rule as kings, implying great authority in Revelation 17 and in similar wording in Daniel 7. Buz it is possible to make up anything. Who are these Kings? Show me the Kings that actually rule as Kings did in the past? How many real monarchies are there? Where is the King of Israel that is needed before even that imaginary prophecy is fulfilled.
5. These corroborate other end time prophecies such as the ones in Daniel and global warming prophecies. These are also themselves corroborated by other prophecies such as global warming, return of Jews, et al. So it's not one or two isolated prophecies we're talking. It's a whole lot of them corroborating each another. Chapter and verse Buz. Enough of this Gish Gallop. Pick one and let's discuss it.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 20 of 303 (374198)
01-03-2007 8:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by crashfrog
01-03-2007 8:43 PM
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Re: Not Prophecy but rather Nonsense.
If you've done your homework, how come you didn't know that cashless, ledger-based transactions were commonplace in Bible times? A cunieform accounting (cashless) tablet from about 1900BCE.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 24 of 303 (374227)
01-03-2007 9:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 23 by Buzsaw
01-03-2007 9:09 PM
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Re: Not Money.
This was an accounting document and does not appear to be the actual payment of the transaction. It's simply a written document depicting a transaction. I doubt very much that the folks back then were foolish enough to accept chunks of clay for cows. LOL! What do you think credit cards, money, checks et all are Buz?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 26 of 303 (374235)
01-03-2007 9:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 25 by ringo
01-03-2007 9:18 PM
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Re: Not Prophecy but rather Nonsense.
"Coinage and hard asset and money" are just an accounting system anyway.
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 30 of 303 (374244)
01-03-2007 9:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 28 by Buzsaw
01-03-2007 9:39 PM
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Finally we find out we are not talking about Biblical Prophecy at all
They're emerging payments involving numbers and marks, unbacked by things of value like gold/silver which are what should be expected before emerging into computerized cashless entries in bank accounts. Gold/silver have no value either except in relation to some general accounting system. Actually the tablet I posted the link to is exactly the same as a cashless transaction.
Soon cash will be no more is my prediction. That may well be Buz prediction but it is TOTALLY unrelated and irrelevant to the prophecies you quoted. Gallop Gish, gallop.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 34 of 303 (374256)
01-03-2007 10:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 33 by crashfrog
01-03-2007 10:40 PM
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Re: Not Money.
Did you use a mark on your head or hand? The key fact is that the Mark in Revelations will be the same on everyone, and not unique to the individual. It would be pretty worthless as a way to pay for your gas.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 37 of 303 (374276)
01-03-2007 11:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 36 by Buzsaw
01-03-2007 11:14 PM
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Re: Intrinsic Value.
It's somewhat amusing but quite sad to see the extent Biblical skeptics will go to avoid acknowledgement of anything indicative of evidence for the existence of an intelligence beyond that of earthly humanity. Of course, I realize that for you secularists to acknowlege even one single bonafide fulfillment of prophecy would be tantamount to admitting the existence of God and the to lending credibility to his book. That might hold true for Atheists, but as a Christian I do acknowledge GOD and the Holy Bible. What I object to is misrepresenting what the Bible says and cheapening, diminishing the value of the message. I object to people making absolute absurd use of the Bible that simply makes Christianity and Christians look stupid and THAT is what nonsense like your OP does. It is a Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 39 of 303 (374280)
01-03-2007 11:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 38 by Buzsaw
01-03-2007 11:24 PM
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Re: Not Money.
It doesn't designate nor give details regarding the mark or the number. It implies that the mark, number or name of the beast/global government must be inclusive in one's identity for monetary transactions. Here it is for all to read... Revelation 13:16-18
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
It is VERY specific; "for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 41 of 303 (374283)
01-03-2007 11:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 40 by Buzsaw
01-03-2007 11:32 PM
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Buz misrepresents folk yet again
Ahem Jar. You who implicate Jesus and the apostles all as liars and imposters who claim to have healed the sick, walked on water, prophesied et al and who essentially denies most of what is written in the book are pointing the finger at me for diminishing from the book? You have no shame, man. I pity you. Buz, please point out where I implicate Jesus and the apostles all as liars. If you cannot link to the post where I said that please retract your slander.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 52 of 303 (374578)
01-04-2007 9:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 50 by Buzsaw
01-04-2007 8:43 PM
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Instead of admitting his slander Buz tries the Moving Goalpost Gallop
1. Have you or have you not in the past taken the position that the only miracles you believe actually happened were the virgin birth and the resurrection of Jesus as per the Nicene Creed? No Buz, I have not taken that position. Either produce the post where I said that or admit you are once again slandering me.
2. Have you ever accepted any other miracle as authentic having actually occurred? I don't know Buz, has anyone ever presented credible evidence that a miracle actually occurred?
3. Do you now take the position that other miracles of the Bible, including the miracles of Jesus and the apostles may have actually happened? May have? I never denied that they may have occurred. All I have said is that there is no evidence that they actually happened. Now that you have once again tried to move the goalposts and misrepresent my position, could you show the honesty to follow through with my request and retract your slander as well as apologize for this inquisition so that we can continue to address the nonsense included in the Original Post? The request which you have tried to dodge away from is:
jar writes: Buz, please point out where I implicate Jesus and the apostles all as liars. If you cannot link to the post where I said that please retract your slander. I have a prophecy Buz, to head back towards the topic. I Prophesy that Buz will continue to dodge and weave and misrepresent folk because he cannot defend the nonsense he presents as Prophecy or even support his attempts to change the subject.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 53 of 303 (374582)
01-04-2007 9:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 51 by Buzsaw
01-04-2007 9:01 PM
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Buz makes stuff up again
The thread is not for delving into unknowns regarding this. My point remains that what we see emerging appears to be a cashless monetary system as we observe a continuous diminishing of cash transactions as per the prophecy. Except Buz that cashless transactions were common at the time the so called prophecy was written so it could not be a prophecy and there is NO support in the passage for cashless transactions anyway. I notice you are fond of making assumptions but NOT providing any support but I will post it yet again so people can see you are just making stuff up. Revelations 13:16-18
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Please point out where it mentions cash or coin? In addition it says that each person will have the mark and even says what the mark will be, "666". A mark that is the same for every person does not identify the individual and so is unlike credit cards or tax ids that are unique to the individual. Sorry Buz, nothing there but your fantasy.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 56 of 303 (374595)
01-04-2007 10:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 55 by anglagard
01-04-2007 10:47 PM
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Re: False Prophets
Revelations predicts television? Making false prophecies such as we have seen in this thread is considered Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 58 of 303 (374618)
01-05-2007 12:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 57 by Buzsaw
01-05-2007 12:07 AM
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Buz totally incompetent as well.
The following evidence shows that you either outright state or imply that much of the Bible is essentially a hoax and a lie since it claims to be truth and not "tales, folklore" and "fables" as you claim. Buz makes the assertion above then claims he is providing my quotes. Let's look and see how well those assertions stand up. Is Buz as incompetent in his research here as he seems to be with the Bible? Buz claims:
Buz writes: Exodus. If it happened it bears no resemblance to the story in the Bible. Moses and the 10 Commandments. Almost certainly apocryphal. pilars of fire etc. Yup, folklore. settling of the promised land. If by that you mean some conquest of Canaan, then almost certainly didn't happen. most of the rest are also simply folklore. life, death and resurrection of Jesus, most likely true. Here folk is a link that actually works. Message 16. Read the whole post folk. Where in there do I call GOD or Jesus a liar Buz or claim a hoax? The you move to Message 19. Read the whole post folk. In that you can see Buz again accused me of calling God a liar and I responded:
jar writes: I've found many that disagree with me in many areas but that didn't make GOD out to be a liar. The other links are:
Message 36, Message 102 Like the claims of cashless society and tv and credit cards in Revelations, the only place in any of those messages where I call Jesus or God a liar is in Buz's fantasy. Buz your scholarship seems to be about the same whether you are posting on science, economics, posts here at EvC or theology.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 61 of 303 (374625)
01-05-2007 12:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 59 by crashfrog
01-05-2007 12:37 AM
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Re: Poor form.
Come the fuck on, Jar. Sure, Buz's prophecies are laughable, but you're carrying on in a way that's embarassing yourself and demeaning your station as an admin. Well I am no longer an Admin.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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