Fulfilled Prophecy

Here are some of my favorite Biblical prophecies:

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Matthew 7:15 - 23 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits. Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name and do mighty works in your name? And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you, depart from me you evildoers."

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Matthew 24:11 - 13 "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

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The Second Epistle of Peter, chapter two begins with these words:

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"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."

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The First Epistle of John, chapter four begins with these words:

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"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

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The thing I like about these Biblical prophecies is that they are the only ones I know of that seem to come true on a daily basis.BTW, the wiki article on False Prophets I lifted these quotes from begins with this as the second sentence:

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Prophets are particularly important figures in Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and to prophesy falsely is seen as one of the worst forms of blasphemy since it falsely claims the speaker is acting with divine authority directly on behalf of God.

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Revelations predicts television?

FYI, Jar is no longer an admin

I notice you don't seem to shrink from defending yourself against misrepresentation or defending your beliefs. On what grounds do you criticise jar for doing the same thing that you do quite often?Personally, I consider Buzsaw's professed and unquesioning belief in his interpretation of prophecy a threat to God and country. I certainly do not want anyone to hasten such end-time beliefs through nuclear, chemical, or biological means.Buzsaw is quite restrained as an admin, but I believe anyone, including Buzsaw and jar, should have the right to clarify their statements and defend themselves against misinterpretation or misrepresentation of same.The discussion may be heated at times but IMO there is a lot at stake. I prophecise that none of us mentioned will significantly change our respective beliefs at this late stage but all of us have the right to not be misrepresented.That includes jar.

My point exactly, glad you said it. Maybe he'll listen to you because judging by his boycott of my posts, he apparently considers my soul beyond redemption according to his standards.

Yes Buz is interpreting the Bible for our benefit since it appears in his own mind that he speaks for God and us mere mortals are too stupid to actually read and properly understand it. I say take it to the mainstream forms of Christianity (Catholic majority) and see if it it floats like the hypothetical unicorn in hypothetical flood sediments.When, if ever, will the authoritarian fundies show the proper respect for their preferred deity over temporal rulers of such false interpretation? How many warnings concerning false prophets in the Bible does it take for the message to stick?If one has respect for God, shoudn't such respect extend to the point where one is allowed to actually think about what is said in the Bible rather than violate the literal warning against false prophets?Chapter and verse - where does the Bible predict television? Please show a specific quote.Edited by anglagard, : ClarityEdited by anglagard, : appropriate question

The reason I ask is that this prophecy business clearly shows that literal inerrantists are claiming they can use the Bible to mean television, when it does not clearly say television. Yet when someone says the six days of creation may be interpreted as something other than six literal days, the literal inerrantist has a cow.The position held by these fundies appears to be that the Bible says whatever they want it to say and everyone who disagrees will be roasting in hell. The justification is that they are better than anyone else at interpreting the Bible because they have God-like powers of perception while others are mere fallible mortals.No wonder such fundies often feel it is OK to lie, cheat, steal, blasphemy and even kill by proxy. Since the Bible says whatever they want it to say, no strictures, such as commandments, apply to them, only to others.And you wonder why I may get a bit upset with such a position.

Here is a list of 10 to start with:Ron Wyatt - unrepentant liar (to be fair, some have argued he may have been insane and therefore didn't know he was lying)Ted Haggard - repentant liarJim Bakker - repentant liar, tax cheat, and thiefJimmy Swaggart - repentant liarKent Hovind - unrepentant liar, tax cheat, and thiefOral Roberts - unrepentant liarSun Myong Moon - unrepantant liar, tax cheat, thief, and blasphemerDavid Koresh - unrepentant liar, blasphemer, and proxy killerPat Robertson - unrepentant liarBenny Hinn - unrepentant liarI limited blasphemy to those who have claimed they are Jesus.{ABE} I also limited tax cheat/thief to those actually convicted in court.There's more if this list is insufficient. Edited by anglagard, : No reason given.

Which ones? Perhaps our definitions of Biblical fundamentalist are different. About half of the individuals I listed are there for saying God told them 'such and such' would happen and then it didn't happen. Now either they lied or God lied. I simply presumed that they lied. Yes, I agree. NJ asked me to provide one example and I provided 10. Like I said, I could easily provide even more. Would have to agree there as well considering Mao and Stalin alone. However, if one were to take the time frame back 1000 years just in Europe and its conquests, or compare how many people science saved relative to how many all anti-science belief systems together killed over the last 100 years, one would obtain a different answer. As to global terrorists, what you say is true at present so far as I know, especially since groups like the Tamil Tigers and White Supremacists are usually not considered 'global.' Your observation was not always true and may not remain true, and is subject to one's definition of 'global terrorist.'This is of course veering off-topic but thought I should reply since it is so rare for us to agree on anything.

NJ explaining: OK, the phrase "none of them exonerate that behavior" threw me from your real intent as I sure have seen a lot of attempts among those listed, especially when first caught. That is, provided they actually managed to repent of their sins against at least some of the 10 commandments in the first place.Why are 'fundies' generally not known for chastising such behaviour in their allies? Why have these false prophets not been universally condemned by such "true" believers?Is the moral guidance provided through Biblical literalism and inerrancy so weak?Why?

Sigmund, you're slip is showing!