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Brian
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Message 47 of 303 (374311)
01-04-2007 3:11 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Buzsaw
01-03-2007 8:44 PM


Re: Standard of Specificity
Hi buz,
I had a look at the 'fulfilled' messianic prophecy link, do you realise that not a single shred of evidence is provided to support any of the prophecies?
For example, where is the evidence that Jesus was born in Bethlehem?
BTW, Isaiah 7:14 is NOT a messianic prophecy.
Born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2, Matthew 2:1; Luke 2:4-7)
Born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:21-23) as a descendant of Abraham (Genesis 12:1-3; 22:18; Matthew 1:1; Galatians 3:16), of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10; Luke 3:23, 33; Hebrews 7:14), and of the house of David (2 Samuel 7:12-16; Matthew 1:1)
Herod killing the infants (Jeremiah 31:15; Matthew 2:16-18)
Taken to Egypt (Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:14-15)
Heralded by the messenger of the Lord (John the Baptist) (Isaiah 40:3-5; Malachi 3:1; Matthew 3:1-3)
Anointed by the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 11:2; Matthew 3:16-17)
Preached good news (Isaiah 61:1; Luke 4:14-21)
Performed miracles (Isaiah 35:5-6; Matthew 9:35)
Cleansed the Temple (Malachi 3:1; Matthew 21:12-13)
Ministered in Galilee (Isaiah 9:1; Matthew 4:12-16)
Entered Jerusalem as a king on a donkey (Zechariah 9:9; Matthew 21:4-9)
First presented Himself as King 173,880 days from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25; Matthew 21:4-11)
Rejected by Jews (Psalm 118:22; 1 Peter 2:7)
Died a humiliating death (Psalm 22; Isaiah 53) involving: rejection (Isaiah 53:3; John 1:10-11; 7:5,48), betrayal by a friend (Psalm 41:9; Luke 22:3-4; John 13:18), sold for 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12; Matthew 26:14-15), silence before His accusers (Isaiah 53:7; Matthew 27:12-14), being mocked (Psalm 22: 7-8; Matthew 27:31), beaten (Isaiah 52:14; Matthew 27:26), spit upon (Isaiah 50:6; Matthew 27:30), piercing His hands and feet (Psalm 22:16; Matthew 27:31), being crucified with thieves (Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 27:38), praying for His persecutors (Isaiah 53:12; Luke 23:34), piercing His side (Zechariah 12:10; John 19:34), given gall and vinegar to drink (Psalm 69:21, Matthew 27:34, Luke 23:36), no broken bones (Psalm 34:20; John 19:32-36), buried in a rich man's tomb (Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57-60), casting lots for His garments (Psalm 22:18; John 19:23-24).
Rose from the dead! (Psalm 16:10; Mark 16:6; Acts 2:31)
Ascended into Heaven (Psalm 68:18; Acts 1:9)
Sat down at the right hand of God (Psalm 110:1; Hebrews 1:3)
All you have here is ciruclar reasoning!
Your link can be summed up like this;
Chapter A verse B is true because Chapter X verse Y tells us so!
Give us some real evidence Buz, links such as the messianic prophecy one only serve to prove how gullible some people can be.
Brian.

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Brian
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Posts: 4659
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Message 81 of 303 (374889)
01-06-2007 8:30 AM


Why haven't we had an exmple of fulfilled prophecy yet?
After all there's supposed to be hundreds of fulfilled prophecies, you think that one wouldn't be a lot to ask for.
Brian.

Brian
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Message 114 of 303 (375082)
01-07-2007 6:15 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by johnfolton
01-06-2007 4:45 PM


Re: dates
Who was the virgin that gave birth in the book of Isaiah?
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 115 of 303 (375083)
01-07-2007 6:21 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Phat
01-06-2007 12:52 PM


Re: Scriptural Interpretations
So instead of sending food parcels to deepest darkest Africa, Christians now need to send state of the art TVs?
If everyone will see Jesus' return, then He cannot return until everyone has a TV set!
Brian.

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Brian
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Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 147 of 303 (375287)
01-08-2007 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by johnfolton
01-08-2007 7:28 AM


Re: you're just not reading
He was adopted by Joesph
Being adopted, although a admirable act, does not mean that the adopted child has your blood. The messiah is to be of Davud's bloodline, and there is no way to link Jesus to the BLOOD of David.
his biological genes go thru Nathan,
Which is no good.
The prophecy goes though Solomon, so the author of matthew's gospel has effectively negated jesus' claim to messiahship. Only one problem of many I may add.
matthews genologies and lukes geneologies do not conflict but confirm that the virgin birth prophecy was fullfilled.
The virgin birth prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled in Isaiah 8:
It will overflow all its channels,
run over all its banks
and sweep on into Judah, swirling over it,
passing through it and reaching up to the neck.
Its outspread wings will cover the breadth of your land,
O Immanuel
There he is, right before your eyes, Immanuel, whose name means God with us, not in person of course, but God is with us in purpose. But, as you can see, Immanuel has already been born, being the subject referred to by the 'your' in 'your land'.
Isn't it amazing how easy it is to rip the Bible apart and show that Jesus was no messiah?
All you have to do is read the Bible and think a little for yourself.
Also, as I never tire of telling some Xians, Isaiah 7:14 is not even a messianic prophecy. Why not study Jusdaism for a bit, then reassess the NT?
I asked earlier, and you perhaps missed it, but who was the virgin in the Book of Isaiah that gave birth to a son? (clue: isaiah 8:3)
Brian.

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