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It also says in verse 31 to look/see/observe relative to what he said.

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Exactly - WHAT HE SAID. And none of your list is actually mentioned in Luke - or Matthew or Mark come to that. So you can't say that Jesus said any of it.

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What he's saying is "straighten up, lift up your heads and observe."

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But they are not connected in the way that you would wish. "When you see these signs, have hope because redemption is near" would be a more accurate rendition.

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The things in my list are things which are up which for the purpose of observation one would be required to straighten up and lift the head.

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Which is not required by the text - your interpretation is probabvly wrong on even that point. And if it were there are things in the text that would fit - the signs in the Sun, Moon and stars and the Son of Man coming in clouds.

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I cannot empirically refute your analysis nor have you empirically refuted mine.

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I really don't know why you insist on using "empirical" to refer to questions of interpretation. But the fact is that my interpretation fits both translations that ahave been referred to - while yours only fits one - and isn't even a good fit for that one. My interpretation doesn't require adding to the text - whereas all your claimed successes from "looking up" don't appear in the text at all.So by any reasonable standard your argument fails. Again.

If the root word for Nineveh can mean the capital of Assyria.kjv Nahum 2:8But Nineveh (capital of Assyria) is of old like a pool of water: yet they shall flee away, Stand,stand shall they cry; but none shall look back.Naham 2:2 says basically that the Lord has turned away the excellency of Jacob.Naham 2:8 agrees with you that the Assyria is of old like the Niveveh of old that has captured Jacob and emptied them out.Naham 1:13 Was fullfilled when the Israelites came out of captivity this prophecy has already been fullfilled.Naham 3:18-19 Is about how the Lord would be fullfilling Naham 1:13 in respect to the Assyrian Captials burden to the world. This burden while they would no more be called the lady of kingdoms Isaiah 47:5 and that kjv naham 3:19 its wickedness passed continually? explains Mystery Babylon kjv rev. 17:5 Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

i am simply amazed that you can put sentances together in these posts, as you seem to have the most feeble grasp on grammar ever demonstrated on this board.jesus gives a serises of signs:

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Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

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jerusalem surrounded.

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Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

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antisemtisim.

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Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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jerusalem destroyed by gentiles, her citizens killed.

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Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

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signs in the sun, moon, and stars, and the sea. tsunamis?

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Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

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jesus returns. this is especially ironic for you buz, because you go finding similarities between unspecific accounts of god's power in nahum and think it correlates to revelation -- but fail to see the obvious and direct parallel to revelation in luke 21?

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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass,

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what things, i wonder? maybe all those signs jesus just listed. the signs that jesus specified are the antecedant of "these." if jesus gives you the signs, why are you replacing them with made up stuff of your own? there's nothing in the text about airplanes and skyscrapers and lazers [sic]. just stuff about jerusalem, persecution, war, and the second coming.you seem so eager to read stuff into the bible that you grasp at straws to read something as meaning the contents of revelation -- and when you'e handed revelation, you read something else entirely. i can't even imagine how you'd read revelation itself.

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Luk 21:28 ...look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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"look up" in greek is literally "exalt." "lift your head" has a similar meaning. jesus is saying "celebrate." he's saying that when you see these disasterous signs, when everything looks as grim as it can possibly be, celebrate my coming return. it has nothing to do with looking for airplanes.do you really have to misrepresent the bible at every turn? distorting the very words of christ? i am forced to believe that you are a troll, making a mockery of legitimate christians. i could not write a better or more ridiculous satire on the fundamentalist perspective on the bible if i tried.

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please pull your head out of blueletterbible's concordance. "nineveh" is a proper name. what "root word?" nahum was written before captivity. it was written against assyria, NOT BABYLON. nahum is talking about defeating the invading assyrians -- who had already carried away the northern kingdom of israel. it is not until 30 years after nahum is written that babylon successfully invades, and carries the southern kingdom of israel away into exile.please learn some biblical history, and try to keep things in their historical context. this is about like mistaking the first and second world wars. assyria ≠ babylon.Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.

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The strongs concordance says the capital of Assyria or Nineveh. Naham 2:8 mentions like the Nineveh of old that Jacob would flee yet be captured, naham 1:13 talks that God would remove this burden in respect to the captivity.Naham 3:19 upon that this wickedness passed continually in respect to naham 1:11 that one come out of Assyria that imagineth evil against the Lord a wicked counsellor. The mystery babylon can not be a called a lady of nation because of the Isaiah prophecy however the whore the lady (the burden of Nineveh)is mentioned in Revelation as a city that reigneth over the nations.Its called in the Naham 1:1 "The burden of Nineveh" that too me extends to the present in respect to the city the Mystery Babylon; The Great Babylon; the whore, in respect to this great city that will be burned by the jealousness of the ten horns. Which is how God will deal with "the burden of Nineveh" in respect to the tribulation (remembrence of Babylon) the revelation judgment of this Great Whore, etc...rev 17:5 17:18Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

nahum is not a condemnation of judah. it's a condemnation of assyria.nineveh of old did not flee. assyria was inavding judah at the time, and had already successfully demolish israel. but assyria fell right around the time nahum wrote.i'm sorry if i can't explain this any better. your posts are quite incoherent, and your logic entirely unsupported. i'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say, as it seems to bear no relation to the events of biblical history. assyria and babylon two entirely different kingdoms.Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.

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This sign of frustration is understandable. This one isn't. I have not read the whole thread, and I am sure you are frustrated. However, this is uncalled for. In fact, even if it were called for, it would be against board rules.The grammar comment was over the line, too.

kjv naham 2:2 makes it about Israel being taken into captivity by the Capital of Assyria (like the Nineveh of old) naham 2:8.kjv naham 2:3 the shields of mighty men makes more sense its about Jacob being taken captive because the Capital of Assyria is like Nineveh of old..Its about Israel being taken into captivity because of Nineveh being as of old, its also about the destruction of Assyria and not Nineveh kjv naham 3:18-19.Its about the burden of Nineveh kjv naham 1:1 and that there is one come out of thee that imagineth evil against the Lord 1:11 That Nineveh is as of old naham 2:8 yet upon whom hath not thy wickedness passed continually. naham 3:19.Is this the burden of Nineveh that its wickedness is passed on continually? Is this the wickedness passed on from Nineveh "the burden of Nineveh" prophecy in respect to the Mystery, of Babylon the Great, The mother of harlots and abominations of the earth.Was not Nineveh the mother of harlots, etc... Isaiah 47:8 & rev 18:7Page not found - NeverThirstyEdited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

I see it more of a disagreement in respect to the rapture that the Lord himself will be blowing the trump of God kjv 1 thessalonians 4:13-18, not the seven angels blowing their trumpets. Its about the rapture of the church that were to comfort one another with these words. kjv 1 thessalonians 4:18.It says when all these things begin to come to pass to then look up for your redemption draweth nigh. luke 21:28 so you can escape all these things that shall come to pass.1 Thessalonians 4:16 says the Lord himself shall desend with a shout, and with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: the dead in Christ will rise first.It simply doesn't sound like a trumpet of the last angel sounding its trumpet because if it was a post trib rapture you wouldn't beable to escape all these things that shall come to pass.kjv Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

tell me though, do you see it as being about airplanes?

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sorry, i will try to curtail my frustration in the future.Edited by arachnophilia, : wording

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that's nahum. or, if you prefer, nachum. prounounced "nah-choom" (ch makes a phlegmy gutteral noise, but softer than "kah." hard to explain in text) it refers "jacob" and "israel" and parallel -- and probably is referring to both kingdoms. israel (to the north) was successfully invaded. judah (to the south) was not.i suspect "israel" means israel, and "pride of jacob" means judah, though my bible's footnotes propose the reverse.

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Gen 49:8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee.

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the capital of assyria is nineveh (of old). i don't think "of old" applies like you mean it to. the city is ancient, yes, but it might not even connotate that. nineveh is the capital of assyria. if assyria is to be destroyed, wouldn't it make sense to destroy the capital? yes. curses on nineveh.

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11 Out of thee came he forth, that deviseth evil against the LORD, that counselleth wickedness.

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past tense. they are talking about a king who invaded -- probably shalmanessar the third, or the fifth, or sargon. all of which had very famous dealings with israel in the bible. sargon was the one who destroyed israel. no. the burden of nineveh is the contents of the book -- that nineveh will be utterly destroyed. ok, i can't put this to you any more clearly. assyrian IS NOT babylon. they are not the same country. in fact, they were AT WAR with each other. is BABYLON that finally conquered assyria in 612 bc.babylon is the enemy that rushes through the streets of nineveh in chariots and burns it to the ground, in the book of nahum. babylon is assyria's enemy and eventual undoing. no, that's BABYLON.

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Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

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and neither of those two verse you mention have anything to do with that.

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I suppose one could equate that the fir trees shall be terribly shaken by these flaming torches could be equated to jets in the last days.Scripture can have dual meanings in respect to the future tense and still be relevant in the present. You seem to be reading it from the present tense not taking into account possible future tense interpretations.This book is written in respect to the Burden of Nineveh that evil has been passed on continually meaning to the future which explains the Great Babylon judgment in revelation(the mother of harlots and abominations, etc...).In chapter 1 its talking about "the burden of Nineveh" and that the Lord will take vengenance on his enemies. kjv nahum 1:2.Was hurricane Katrina a wakeup call to America? kjv nahum 1:3 That the Lord has his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet. In respect how America forced Israel to give up Gaza to the Palestinians. When we sided with Israel in their struggle against the terrorists last year no hurricanes.kjv nahum 2:8-13 is in agreement with chapter 1:1-2 that the Lord will take vengenance on Assyria as he took vengenance on Nineveh.kjv nahum 3:7 Its mentioning that he took vengenance on Nineveh how would he not take vengenace on Babylon too.kjv nahum 3:8 It asks if Babylon is any better than popolos that too was taken captive even though her strength was infinite her childen were too dashed to pieces.The burden of Nineveh is the first sentence in the book of nahum. The last sentence is that for upon "whom" hath not thy wickedness passed continually?The burden of Nineveh has not yet been destroyed its been passed on continually to this day. This is what I'm saying pretains to the destruction of the great Babylon. rev 17:5 & 17:15-18.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

fundamentalists like to say this. it's an excuse for distortion, in almost every instance i have seen. often, grossly anti-contextual distortions. "it applies to this obvious reading, but also this less obvious one that really has nothing to do with the actual message of the prophet."the scripture we are talking about in this sub-topic is luke 21, NOT nahum. luke 21 is very obviously about the future. jesus gives specific signs of the coming end: jerusalem surrounded and trashed by gentile enemies, antisemitism, astronomical and oceanic disasters, and the second appearance of christ. now, we could argue that "jerusalem surrounded" and "antisemitism" have been fulfilled (they were in jesus's day, too, i suspect), but jerusalem is alive and well. maybe the destruction in 70 ad fulfilled the next step, but the end did not come then. many expected it to.where is the double meaning? christ is very clear about what he means -- i don't see a code. i'm reading it as if the authors were not schizophrenics and frauds. i think that's a valid approach. you seem to be attacking the text (largely without historical context and information) as if it applies in some kind of cryptic way to today's modern world. the text is simply not that deceptive. actually, the hebrew means something like "has left you." meaning that the king who imagined evil against israel -- probably sargon -- is dead and now assyria is left defenseless. please.please.please.listen this time.assyria and babylon were enemies. babylon destroyed assyria, including nineveh, in 612 bc. your analogy simply does not make sense. we've sided with israel since 1948. never once have we supported the palestinians -- we've often tried to foster peace talks. that's not what it says. nowhere is babylon explicitly mentioned in nahum. the implication is that judah will destroy assyria (when in fact it was babylon and elam). no, it's nineveh's burden -- nineveh's curse, that it will be destroyed. babylon IS NOT assyria!look, it's obvious that you do not understand the very basics of this text and its place in history, let alone its place in prophecy. i can't even make sense of what you think you're trying to say. it's quite nonsensical, and most of the verse you cite have no relation to what you propose they mean.i can't explain this to you any better, i'm sorry. but assyria and babylon are simply not the same.

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the chariots will be with flaming torches {in the day of "his" preparation}, and the fir trees shall be terribly shaken.
kjv nahum 2:3 and nahum 3:5 "He" shall recount his worthies: they shall stumble in their walk; they shall make haste to the wall therof, and "the defence" shall be prepared. When Bill Clinton had Israel signing the peace deal florida was flattened by a hurricane. When George Bush was pressing Israel to give up Gaza for Peace much of America was devastated by tornado's and culminating with Katrina. The authorized king james version its the burden of Nineveh that was passed on thru Assyria babylon, etc... I disagree its the burden of nineveh not nineveh's burden. The burden is the lady reigning over the kings of the earth. kjv rev 17:18 Isaiah 47:1-7 talks of the chaldeans (daughters of Babylon) no longer being called the lady of kingdoms. verse 7 that they didn't lay these things to heart, neither remember the latter end of it. The mother of harlots and abominations of the earth, etc... kjv rev 17:5Chaldean - WikipediaEdited by Charley, : No reason given.