Fulfilled Prophecy

Well I am no longer an Admin.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Oh, sorry. That must have happened while I was moving and offline.Still, though.

Be not sorrowful. I never wanted the job in the first place and I no longer have to always watch what I say or keep roles straight.Being an Admin here is not easy and those that do it deserve far more credit than they receive and I am thrilled to be out of school.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I notice you don't seem to shrink from defending yourself against misrepresentation or defending your beliefs. On what grounds do you criticise jar for doing the same thing that you do quite often?Personally, I consider Buzsaw's professed and unquesioning belief in his interpretation of prophecy a threat to God and country. I certainly do not want anyone to hasten such end-time beliefs through nuclear, chemical, or biological means.Buzsaw is quite restrained as an admin, but I believe anyone, including Buzsaw and jar, should have the right to clarify their statements and defend themselves against misinterpretation or misrepresentation of same.The discussion may be heated at times but IMO there is a lot at stake. I prophecise that none of us mentioned will significantly change our respective beliefs at this late stage but all of us have the right to not be misrepresented.That includes jar.

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My point did not pertain to Nahum 2:8. I

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In that case your point had nothing to do with a correct understanding of the verses you did cite (Nahum 2:3-4). Nahum 2:8 is part of the context, telling us that those verses are about the destruction of Nineveh. Any correct understanding of Nahum 2:3-4 MUST include Nahum 2:8.

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If you read chapter one of the book you will see that the book deals with the latter days and a few verses before the verses I sited in the beginning of chapter two,

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If you read 1:1 it describes the book as the "Oracle of Nineveh" (NASB - "Burden of Nineveh" in the KJV or even "An Oracle Concerning Nineveh" in the NIV ) If YOU read chapter 1 you will see that there is nothing specifically about the last days. All your examples are simply cited as examples of God's power (the fact that they are rendered in the present tense ought to clue you in on that !)

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Ninevah is not actually honed in on until verse 8 of chapter 2.

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Is Nahum 1:1 not in your Bible ? Besides, even if you were right, Nahum 2:8 would still be part of the same passage as Nahum 2:3-4 and still dictate that Nahum 2:3-4 referred to the destruction of Nineveh.

I don't. By all means, let him correct the record as he sees fit.But does it have to be so directly personal? Believe me, I'd be the one to know - it's not an effective strategy.People just need to relax, is all, probably myself included. I'm going to grab a cold soda and begin doing exactly that.

My apologies for interrupting the thread with personal stuff, but I couldn't let the original charges that started this of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and diminishing the Bible stand. To me these charges were extremely serious. Thanks for the words of advice to us both. I hope we can move on to focus on the topic debate.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

All you need do is check out items preceeding Nahum 2:3-4 which I have cited, having never yet been fulfilled, most of which do not directly apply to Nineveh. They are like introduction background leading up to 2:8. As I've stated, This sort of ambiguity is often encountered in the study of Biblical prophecy but the more you study the prophecies, the more you recognize corroborating events which work to complete the picture the artist is painting so to speak.Yes it states in the beginning of the book that it's Oracles of Ninevah, but objectively read what is said and you see when Ninevah is directly addressed. Of course it is but if you refuse to acknowledge the facts I've stated I can't waste my time repeating them.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

yes, not 4 verses from the one you cite.listen, buz, nahum is 3 chapters long. it occupies five pages in my bible. just read the whole book, will ya? it's one long prophecy, and it's all against nineveh.to pick out one little verse with a poetic reference to war and apply it to anything modern is quotemining. it's just plain intellectually dishonest. the book's introduction says "a pronouncement against nineveh." the book is addressed to the king of assyria. nineveh is mentioned very, very close to your reference. that verse is in a chapter describing the downfall of nineveh.guess what it's about, buz?to say it's about something else is insulting to the intelligence of everyone else here, and insulting to the prophet nachum whom you must assumed cannot keep on topic, and is thus a poor author.

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it's a rather standard reference to god's power. see, i dunno, the entire book of job. you're missing the point of it, too. look at verse 6:

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Who can stand before His indignation? And who can abide in the fierceness of His anger?

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and from there on. the message is: "you messed with us, you messed with god. and god. is. pissed." and that they had better watch out, because the god that packs this kind of punch, one that can destroy the entire world, is now their enemy. similarly, buz, this is the first sentance in this post that actually "hones in" on you. i haven't addressed you by name before (hey, nevermind that post above this one!) so clearly nothing that i've said before now actually has anything to do with you.

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Probably because, 1. Buz does not have the gift of prophecy and, 2. because that's not how prophecy operates.

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"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

My point exactly, glad you said it. Maybe he'll listen to you because judging by his boycott of my posts, he apparently considers my soul beyond redemption according to his standards.

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Buz does not have the gift of prophecy

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The gift of prophecy means just what it sounds like, its a gift, by God, where He bestows on that individual some capacity to prophesy. I don't think Buz has ever given a prophecy, but rather, is giving his discourse on the interpretations of those prophecies that have already been prophesied.I can't say with complete certainty who is right and who is wrong here because I just got around to dealing with this thread. From the little I have seen, Buz seems to be offering his analysis on the scriptures in question. I should add that his interpretation is not far off from the majority of Christian scholarship. Some people here are making Buz out to be coming up with some off-the-wall interpretations. I haven't seen that. From the little I have read it seems sound, doctrinally.

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"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

How is it supposed to operate then?If it`s not possible to use it to predict the future, what`s it good for?Even after the future that the prophecy talks about becomes past, it still isn`t possible to have an agreement on wheather the prophecy was fullfilled or not.The prophecies are so vague as to be impossible to decide what they actually mean.

Maybe Buz doesn't have the gift of analysis either? I presume you are discounting "liberal" Christian scholarship. Don't confuse prophecy with doctrine.Edited by Ringo, : Converted verb "prophesy" to noun "prophecy".

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