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Author Topic:   What if Jesus and Satan were real?
Blue
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Message 421 of 591 (727220)
05-16-2014 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 418 by ringo
05-16-2014 11:50 AM


Re: Satan
Risking your life in honor is suicidal. You know you could die each time you risk it. Doesn't matter if it is honorable or not. Another good example is anyone who would give their life for a cause. Muslims, vikings, jews, etc.
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Sincerely
Blue

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ringo
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Message 422 of 591 (727221)
05-16-2014 12:32 PM
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05-16-2014 12:26 PM


Re: Satan
Blue writes:
After 6 years all debts are wiped. Look it up.
I did look it up - and I quoted this:
quote:
Exodus 21:4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.
After six years they were set free without their wives and children. The slave owner kept the wives and children. That's a rather obvious ploy to make the slave "choose" to remain a slave.

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ringo
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Message 423 of 591 (727222)
05-16-2014 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 421 by Blue
05-16-2014 12:28 PM


Re: Satan
Blue writes:
Risking your life in honor is suicidal. You know you could die each time you risk it.
No. Knowing you could die is not the same as actively trying to kill yourself.

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Blue
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Message 424 of 591 (727225)
05-16-2014 12:46 PM
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05-16-2014 12:32 PM


Re: Satan
The law is relative to when the slave is purchased. If the wife was purchased a year before the male hebrew slave in that scenario, she would be free first after 6 years then the male next, then the children according to the 6 year law. The master only owns slaves maximum of 6 years unless the slave chooses to remain a slave. Further in a lot of cases I would wager it was in their best interest to be a slave. You get food, work, protection, home, and etc.
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Blue
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Message 425 of 591 (727226)
05-16-2014 12:47 PM
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05-16-2014 12:34 PM


Re: Satan
You should argue that with a us marine fighting in the middle east. You should also ask a fire fighter choosing to attempt to save a person in a locked room when the building is about to blow up.
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ringo
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Message 426 of 591 (727230)
05-16-2014 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 424 by Blue
05-16-2014 12:46 PM


Re: Satan
Blue writes:
If the wife was purchased a year before the male hebrew slave in that scenario, she would be free first after 6 years then the male next, then the children according to the 6 year law.
Chapter and verse please.
Blue writes:
The master only owns slaves maximum of 6 years unless the slave chooses to remain a slave.
Of course that only applies to Hebrew slaves:
quote:
Leviticus 25:44-46 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.
Foreigners "shall be your bondmen for ever".

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
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Message 427 of 591 (727231)
05-16-2014 1:08 PM
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05-16-2014 12:47 PM


Re: Satan
Blue writes:
You should argue that with a us marine fighting in the middle east. You should also ask a fire fighter choosing to attempt to save a person in a locked room when the building is about to blow up.
By all means, show us examples of Marines and firefighters who consider themselves suicidal.

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Blue
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Message 428 of 591 (727232)
05-16-2014 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by ringo
05-16-2014 1:05 PM


Re: Satan
Read exodus 21 with a open heart instead of a preconception and do what you would for any atheist thought. Try to figure out a way for it to make sense instead of just being anti biblical. I doubt you have ever tried.

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Blue

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ringo
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Message 429 of 591 (727234)
05-16-2014 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 428 by Blue
05-16-2014 1:11 PM


Re: Satan
Blue writes:
Try to figure out a way for it to make sense instead of just being anti biblical.
I'm not being anti-Biblical; I'm showing you what the Bible says. Jumping through hoops to try to make sense of it is the wrong way to approach any text. You don't decide it's true and then twist it to fit reality. You read what it says and then decide if it's true.

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Blue
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Message 430 of 591 (727235)
05-16-2014 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 429 by ringo
05-16-2014 1:16 PM


Re: Satan
I didn't say I was twisting the text that is your words. I didn't say I was jumping through hoops that is your words. I read the text and it comes naturally. You are the one jumping and twisting the text.
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Blue
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Message 431 of 591 (727236)
05-16-2014 1:22 PM
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05-16-2014 1:16 PM


Re: Satan
The context of that message was for you because you clearly don't understand the bible.

Sincerely
Blue

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Blue
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Message 432 of 591 (727238)
05-16-2014 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by ringo
05-16-2014 1:05 PM


Re: Satan
In leviticus 25 44-46 it is referring to heathen (pagans). In those days pagans were killed by jews because they are considered evil. In this issue it is much better to show how science does not conflict with genesis 1. This way the authority of the bible can be seen. I've also posted various videos check those out. I also think it is important to understand that in our day, since Christ fullfilled jewish law those ot laws are no longer required. Now we're instructed to follow governmental law as long as freedom of religion is included.
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Blue
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Message 433 of 591 (727278)
05-16-2014 11:21 PM
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05-16-2014 1:08 PM


Re: Satan
I've talked to marines about their tours in the middle east. They have said "it is crazy when bullets are flying by your head." One fellow I knew was shot in the spine. In my view it sounds suicidal. Pick your weapon. Shoot your self, or choose to go to war. If you read the wiki article people who risk their life doing something honorable are being suicidal. 2nd paragraph.

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Blue

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Blue
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Message 434 of 591 (727279)
05-16-2014 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 419 by 1.61803
05-16-2014 12:26 PM


Re: Satan
God is judging the wicked because God permitted their life.

Sincerely
Blue

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Archer Opteryx
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From: East Asia
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Message 435 of 591 (727282)
05-17-2014 1:51 AM


Provincial deity
I notice a provincialism in the OP. I would have let it pass but for the author maintaining the perspective in more recent comments.
The OP asserts that adherents of certain religions 'appear' a certain way. It attempts to draw conclusions from this. But how people of this or that belief system 'appear' is a function of perspective. Where is one standing? What are one's measures? Where is the light? What message board are you on?
In recent days much has been made here of the situation in one country. It's as if a deity that reigned over (at least) an entire universe would have some special sentimental attachment to that one piece of real estate among many on a single planet. That's how a mortal OP author in one country thinks. That's not how an impartial, fair-minded transcendent immortal cosmic mind would think.
Until that limited perspective is shown to be objectively more valid than thousands of other possible perspectives, it is useless to reason based on how religions 'appear'. All religions appear all kinds of ways to all kinds of people.
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Archer O
All species are transitional.

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