Message 572 of 591 (727655)
05-19-2014 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 547 by Blue
05-18-2014 11:22 PM
|You still don't know that he created evil.|
We're talking about 'calamity' remember? Are you calling God a liar now?
|I suppose you need to open your mind enough to see other vantages which will reveal other vantages. Point, punishing evil is not evil.|
I'm not contending that punishing evil is evil.
I'm saying God is responsible for the calamities he causes. You dispute this. I'm waiting for your defence.
|Free agency is just that, do what the fuck you want to do, it would involve 0 limitations.|
So we don't have free agency, gotcha.
Evidence: agoraphobics would like to go to the shop, but they have limitations.
Agorophobics are merely extreme examples of normal human functioning.
Humans are limited in their capacities to do whatever the fuck they want.
Ergo, humans do not have free agency.
|The law is to guide you into heaven. I suppose since you don't like the law, or God it does not really matter. |
I see your Christian concern for your fellow man. Your indifference to what you believe will be my future suffering is noted.
|You will be fine dead. I think the most common thing I have heard from an atheist is, I am fine thinking I am dead in death. I presume you're the same? IF so why are we arguing?|
Because we're not talking about atheism? Therefore we're arguing about something else. I think I've made it clear what I'm arguing about.
|Ok. The counter argument is clearly, this does not refute the God of the Bible as a God.|
The counter argument sucks. It sucks because the argument did not conclude that it refutes the god of the Bible as a god. In fact, I didn't make an argument. I just asked why would I not a hate a book that justifies capital punishment for trivial crimes?
|IT does clearly demonstrate how important it is to keep the Sabbath.|
Indeed, because if you didn't people would murder you and would never face any justice for it. Wonderful.
|The idea is to bring peace. |
Yes, and peace has not been brought in the millennia since its composition.
a) While the war is ongoing
b) When the next war begins because of the consequences of the previous one
You know - like human history.
abe: in other news Ignorance brings Strength. Freedom brings slavery.
|In my understanding, you need to remove evil, and through removing evil you bring peace.|
So the Bible brought peace by ensuring we'd be in a perpetual state of war and reinforcing the comfortable delusion that war is about removing evil. I'm just not sure who the evil people were in the War of the Spanish Succession, remind me? What about the War of the Roses? The hundred years war? The Norman conquest of Britain?
|Think of it this way, if the Bible is in fact the word of God then the above is not so bad because it will bring you a life in eternity.|
That's like the worst possible thing that you could possibly wish for me. I'd sooner be tortured for a thousand years, thanks.
| As much as I can appreciate your humanity, in general humanity is evil.|
Yep. And the Bible has not changed this one iota has it?
|Again I will say, if religion is man made, then God is not the problem.|
If religion is solely man made then we know nothing about god or the gods and this entire discussion about Jesus and Satan is meaningless.
|However, in religion the goal is to bring peace.|
I'm sure. It's not been successful has it? As you say - the only way religion has inspired peace is by encouraging the killing of anybody that disagrees on even minor philosophical points...I mean evil people.
| I can't speak for the evils people have done in the name of Christianity, Islam, Atheism and the like but in most cases it is not because of the Bible (can't speak for the quran don't care too either) per say it is their interpretation of it. |
No Bible, no bad interpretations.
|Where is the peace? Peace will be in the new existence once free agency has lead man to God.|
So when you said the Bible is a book responsible the rise of actual peace you were in fact not telling the truth? What you meant to say is 'I believe the Bible will one day be responsible for these things, but it hasn't happened yet.'
To which I reply. 2,000 years of wars, persecutions, pogroms, and mob 'justice' is not grounds for encouragement in this regard.
|No, Satan chose to be evil.|
What did he use to make this decision? Was that thing created by God?
|God intended on satan to be a guardian angel. Ezekiel 28.|
I don't see any mention of Satan there. Nor do I see any discussion about choice. Maybe you could help a closed minded atheist out?
|The point I am making is if humanity created religion and God does not exist then the problem can't be religion. The problem is clearly humanity.|
I contend its both. That religion is a symptom of humanity's problems.
|Yes the Bible can seem cruel in some places, but it is reasonably cruel.|
No. It is absolutely not reasonably cruel, whatever that means.
Therefore genocide is justified. I get it, you wish you were Hitler
|IT is directly telling you humanity is evil and you need to follow certain laws. IF humanity simply followed those laws IT would bring PEACE.|
Sure, if everybody followed the Koran I'm sure there would be peace. We've already established that humanity, God's creation, is evil. So obviously attempting to get humanity to all follow any unified set of rules is impossible.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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