Which Bible is Inerrant?

Your post doesn't make any sense -- are you sure that it's my post to which you are responding?This message has been edited by Chiroptera, 01-Jul-2005 01:27 AM

If it's not...then I probably pressed your reply button thinking it was the other's post. I apologize if that was the case. But I will check and I thought you were in the discussion...so I don't understand why you can't make sense of what I am saying. Nevertheless if not you then my apologies.

How do you know God did it? How do you know somebody wasn't just embellishing a good story to make a better story and make Joshua look like a hero? How do you know stuff didn't get written down and then the writer just claimed it came from God? How do you know somebody didn't write something down just to make a good story and somebody later on claimed it came from God? How do you know what is "scripture" (inspired by God) and what is not? Do you think people didn't have big arguments over what "belonged" as scripture and what was just an inspirational story but not scripture? Is the fact that it is all in one book that says "Holy Bible" on the front good enough for you and if so - why? What about the apocrophyl books? Are they scripture? If not, why not?On edit: Just to show you these are serious questions, go here and see
for yourself.
http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/canon2.stmThis message has been edited by deerbreh, 07-01-2005 12:03 AM

Whoa... one question at a time there buddy...I felt like I was being interrogated by different people all at one time. LOL.I try to sum up what you were trying to ask.How? It was a part of there history just like we Americans have ours and we record it...they did the same.As far as Scripture? Scripture means writings.As far a Apocrypha? The books in the Apocrypha are scriptures, yes.As far as are they prophetic and God inspired? Some are prophetic and some are more historic scriptures.

d_yankee says"It was a part of there history just like we Americans have ours and we record it...they did the same."OK let's go with that. Why don't all of the other ancient histories agree with the Hebrew histories? For example Egyptian history does not mention the Hebrew slaves. Seems like a pretty big omission.You still haven't answered the question of how we decide what is in the canon and what is not. I use canon since it appears that you don't use the word "scripture" the same way I do, though I think you know what I meant.

Egyptians today admit to this...many just refuse to believe that the Hebrew God did what he did to their ancestors.Canon? From Adam, Enoch, Noah,...Moses up through to the Prophets, Jesus...the Apostles...there are mixtures of HISTORY BOOKS, like I and II Chronicles, I and II Kings...books that are more of a historian-type biography...books with PROPHECIES....books with Proverbs...but Moses, who established the Hebrew Law, a PROPHET....gave specific instructions on who and how PROPHETIC SCRIPTURES would come from. First...he established tribes that would be CHOSEN, SEPARATED, and REARED as Priests, Prophets, ...and so forth.Of course, how do we know that George Washington existed and that he wasn't some ficticious, made up story? Because the people there were the WITNESSES.How will our descendants know that 9-1-1 really happened? Those there are WITNESSES and will carry it down with their descendants.You haven't searched enough if you believe the Egyptians do not mention ever having Hebrew slaves. It is even shown in their hieroglyphics...not to mention the Hebrews and other nations' historians were WITNESSES.
C'mon, use that brain a little.

good day, as a long time lurker i just thought i'd finally post to evc, and ask d_yankee about some things, is there any evidence to this claim? wouldn't you think that if it helped legitimize the exodus, people would speak up about it? So far there is no word from the egyptians hmm what about all the writings the laws the papers written and signed by him? what about information on where he lived? not word of mouth but things that are physical? tell me does the lack of the two towers not prove it happened? or the film from those days? while i would say the witnesses will be promonent for maybe 100 years but like WW2 vets they will slowly fade and what will be left is the documents of the time as the evidence.
i'm sorry but like people have said witnesses really do not help credablity. witnesses can be wrong how about a link to anything showing evidence for the claims?
what historians wrote about the exodus? there is evidence for semites in egypt but that doesn't point to any hebrews rather not get in trouble, so I won't touch that one..edit: for typoThis message has been edited by demongoat, 07-01-2005 01:43 AMThis message has been edited by demongoat, 07-01-2005 01:43 AM

It was the same sort of part of their history as the story of George Washington cutting down a cherry tree when he was a boy is a part of ours. It's a famous story but it never happened. A preacher made it up as a moral example. Typical preacher trick telling a lie to foster the virtue of truthfulness!lfen

Oh, I get it. Don't do as you do. Do as you say.You must have read the secret section of the guide lines for this website. The one that says you dont' really have to provide evidence for you assertions as long as you charge those who dispute you to find your evidence for you. very cool!lfen

Hello, d_yankee.Do you know Karl Crawford? Just curious, because your style of debate reminds me a lot of him.

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You state: You have been asked to support this assertion. Please provide links to the hieroglyphic proof that the Egyptians had Hebrew slaves.

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Demongoat actually doesn't realize that he is making my point with...(Hmm what about all the writings the laws the papers written and signed by him? what about information on where he lived? not word of mouth but things that are physical?) .......(tell me does the lack of the two towers not prove it happened? or the film from those days? while i would say the witnesses will be promonent for maybe 100 years but like WW2 vets they will slowly fade and what will be left is the documents of the time as the evidence.)EXACTLY MY POINT!!!! All the places such as the ruins of the ancient city of Jericho...can be fount, ALL the cities such as BABYLON, EGYPT...and so forth, all the events are also mentioned by other civilizations such as the FLOOD....etc.Contemporary inscriptions show Semitic laborers making brick. (Ancient Records of Egypt, II, par. 758 f.)"That Palestine and the Semites early brought a significant influence to bear upon Egypt is clear from Semitic traces in the LANGUAGE of the Nile country. It is also the opinion of
"many scholars" that, shortly before the dynastic period opens, the use of copper spread to Egypt through Semitic neighbors; and that the cultivation of corn and wheat and wine came both to Babylonia and to Egypt from Palestine - the tiny land which inconspicuously stood as the hub and spiritual center of the ancient world". (See H. R. Hall, Ancient History of the Near East, 1920, pages 89 and 90.)There are however several hieroglyphic documents which refer to the existence in Egypt of a category of workers called the 'Apiru, Hapiru or Habiru'. In this category were construction workers, agricultural labourers, harvesters, etc.Under Tuthmosis III, they are referred to in a papyrus as 'workers in the stables'.However, this may be, under Ramesses II, the Hebrews (according to the Bible) or the 'Habiru (according to the hieroglyphic texts) took part in the great works ordered by the Pharaoh, which were indeed 'forced labour'. (in the dictionary of the hieroglyphic language by Ranke.)Yes, Egyptian history speak of the ancient Hebrews...and guess what...SO DOES THE B-I-B-L-E. It is Jewish HISTORY.JUST AS THERE WAS A ACTUAL "RAMESES" TO EGYPT....THERE WAS A MOSES TO ISRAEL!Got 'em. He scoresssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!This message has been edited by d_yankee, 07-01-2005 08:05 PMThis message has been edited by d_yankee, 07-01-2005 08:08 PM

I'm sorry but all you present is more unsupported assertions.Please provide hieroglyphic evidence that the Egyptians had Hebrew Slaves as you have asserted.

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Quick question: Is this from Hugo Odhner? You didn't attribute it...