Is Jesus of 'Cursed Lineage'

the prophesy is refering to isaiah's son, not ahaz's. no.... ? it mean's "god is with us" as in "god is on our side, we're gonna win" not "we'll be with god in heaven one day because his son used to live here."

yeah, that's right. i wasn't sure on the third, but i knew there were at least two.

Arachnophilia, It appears were in agreement kjv Deu 4:2 with that were not to add or take away from Gods Word. Jesus sent his angel to John his servant the Words of the Book of Revelation, and this too was not to be added or taken away from kjv Revelation 22:18-19. You have in the book of Matthew evidence that God had indeed taken Jehoiakim out of the geneologies of Matthew. This all does support that God is Preserving his Word to all generations.kjv Deu 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.kjv Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:kjv Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.Jesus said my Words will not pass away but the earth shall pass away. If you read in the gospel of Matthew a few verses past the Lords prophesy that says his words will never pass away, what your supposed to be doing, is watching for it says we know not the hour, when the Lord will come.kjv Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
kjv Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
kjv Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
kjv Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
kjv Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
kjv Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
kjv Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. kjv Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.The bible says to watch for you know not the hour the Lord will come. kjv luke 21:25-33 but it confirms here too that the Lords Words will not pass away, and for the believers to look up for their redemption draweth nigh.This message has been edited by Tom, 01-09-2005 14:37 AM

The prophecy was referring to the House of David, not Isaiahs son, or ahaz son but indirectly Jesus through Joesph was ahaz son. This is why the Lord put his geneologies in the Gospel of Luke, so you would know that his geneologies went thru Nathan the prophet.

Arachnophilia, Read John chapter 17 about the Son and the Father and the Christian believer being one, and to be with the Son to behold his glory and to be where he is. kjv john 17:24kjv 2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
kjv 2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
kjv 2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.kjv Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.This message has been edited by Tom, 01-09-2005 12:21 AM

Hey Arach,Are you getting dizzy yet?Unfortunately, Tom has not progressed at all in this discussion. He seems to prefer his own version of the OT, as opposed to, that which God inspired the OT authors to write.

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Tom: You say in Post #124: "This is why the Lord put his geneologies in the Gospel of Luke, so you would know that his geneologies went thru Nathan the prophet."Whoah!Nathan the Prophet was one of five Nathans in the Tenach. Nathan, the son of David is simply another.David may have named his son after the prophet since he had such regard for Nathan the Prophet. But that is not stated or implied in verse.Nonetheless, the geneology tracing Jesus to Nathan is traced to Nathan, son of David, not to Nathan the Prophet.Regards, Abshalom

Abshalom, I hear you, but still does not mean Nathan the Prophet is not Nathan the son of David. I couldn't find any mention of who sired Nathan the prophet(do you have any information who sired Nathan the prophet if not David?). This little quandary still doesn't exclude that Nathan was the son of David as infered in Luke's geneologies of the Lord Jesus.Adonijah called all the kings sons and servants except for Nathan the prophet, Benaiah, the mighty men and Solomon his brother.kjv 2Sa 5:14 And these be the names of those that were born unto him in Jerusalem; Shammua, and Shobab, and Nathan, and Solomon,kjv 1Ki 1:9 And Adonijah slew sheep and oxen and fat cattle by the stone of Zoheleth, which is by Enrogel, and "called all his brethren the king's sons", and all the men of Judah the king's servants:kjv 1Ki 1:10 But Nathan the prophet, and Benaiah, and the mighty men, and Solomon his brother, he called not.kjv 1Ki 1:11 Wherefore Nathan spake unto Bathsheba the mother of Solomon, saying, Hast thou not heard that Adonijah the son of Haggith doth reign, and David our lord knoweth it not?

HI,MY NAME IS NATHAN,AND STRANGE YOU TALK ABOUT NATHAN AS WELL,BUT IM A PROPHET,AND I WILL DELIVER THE FUTURE WORD:THE BOOK OF MATTHEW;GOD'S LAWMatthew 5
King James Version
1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect

THE GREAT ESCAPE"The Great Escape......several years ago,someone had a heart attack behind the thier car wheel,with noone to man the car,the vehicle careened off the road and crashed into a bridge. jUST IMAGINE IF......in the space of a single heartbeat, 1 out of every 3 cars on the road suddenly became unmanned and careened out of control. what HAVOC AND LOSS OF LIFE WOULD ENSUE!! Or imsgine a jetline just in the middle if the Atlantic ocean,then the next moment,the plane is unmanned and crashes right into the ocean, UNAWARED TOO! Perhaps of all the imAGES we have to assiciate with the "END TIMES",this is the most vivid, it is an unimaginable,spiritual event called......"THE RAPTURE", AND IT IS AN IMAGE.....THAT HAS BEEN CREATED FOR US MANY TIMES THROUGH THE YEARS IN VIA BOOKS AND MOVIES, DEALING WITH THE LAST AND FINAL DAYS! the Rapture will be the most sensational worldwide event to Christians ever! 1 of the reasons the rapture will be so sensational is because not onlywill living Christians meet thier Lord of Lords in the sky,but also dead Christians that were resting,are to be caught up and ressurected,to the Lord as well,and people will look in graves of known Christians,and see all thats in there,is just a pair of clothes,no body."FOR THE LORD HIMSELD SHALL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN WITH A SHOUT, WITH THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL, AND WITH THE TRUMP OF GOD:AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST: THEN ALL THE LIVING CHRISTIANS SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER TO MEET THIER LORD in the air, and so shall we be ever with the Lord."(1st Thessalonians 4:16-17)WHY WILL THE CHURCH BE RAPTURED?why,SO THEY CAN BE PROTECTED FROM GOD'S WRATH UPON THE EARTH FOR REJECTING HIM AND HIS FOLLOWERS, AND SO THE BELIEVER'S OF CHRIST SHALL MEET WITH THEIR LORD FOREVER,and there shall be no more crying, nor sorrow, nor death, AND THE LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS, SHALL REIGN ON EARTH AND EVERYTHING ELSE FOREVER,and do you all wanna know what will happen if your left behind, i'll tell ya:first of all,some people will become new christians,and then.......THE TROUBLE STARTS,there shall be a man,who will step fowrd,and stop the war in iraq or any other war,he will claim he's God, when he's reall, an incarnation of satan,and he shall be a super deciever, he'll do things like, peform miracles, soon he'll suffer a bad head bruise, and heal it! he'll even raise the dead,and ALSO MAKE A 7 YEAR PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL,BUT DONT BE FOOLED FOR 1 SECOND!!! this guy will ask everyone to take his mark, which is the MARK OF A MAN,666 SHALL BE HIS MARK,AND WHOEVER TAKES THIS MARK,SHALL BE CONDEMNED WITH SATAN,but those who will refuse to take the mark,and never worship the image of the beast,will get their head chopped off, but DONT WORRY,YOU SHOULD GET YOUR HEAD CHOPPED OFF,THEN YOU'LL REICIEVE A MARTYR'S REWARD IN HEAVEN! AND NOW FOR THE FUN PART, FOR CHRISTIANS OF COURSE.......we are now at the throne of God people, FRESHEN UP! here,is when the judgment will be carried, first of all, God will ahve in his right hand a scroll, and a angel will come forth and say "WHO ART WORTHY TO TAKE THE SCROLL?" and no one their was worthy, but then, a slain lamb of God appeared (Jesus) will take the scroll and open it, now, it's time......WELCOME TO THE TRIBULATION WHOEVER IS ON EARTH!!!! BOO HOO FOR THEM, I PITY THOSE PEOPLE FOR WORSHIPPING SATAN,THERE WILL BE JUDGMENT,BUT THOSE WHO WILL REPENT WHIL THIS IS HAPPENING,WILL BE SPARED:THE 7 SEALS:
1.THE 1st MIGHY HORSEMEN ON A WHITE HORSE WITH A SWORD
2.THE 2nd MIGHY HORSEMEN,ON A RED HORSE WITH A BOW&ARROW
3.THE 3rd HORSEMEN ON A BLACK HORSE WITH A BALANCE
4.THE FINAL HORSEMEN "DEATH" ON A PALE HORSE WITH A SYTHE AND HELL FOLLOWED HIM
5.THE MARTYRS (THE KILLED NEW CHRISTIANS) UNDER THE THRONE OF GOD
6.THE EARTHQUAKE AND THE SUN GETS DARKENED AND THE MOON BECOMES AS BLOOD,AND STARS FELL ON Earth,
7.THE TRUMPETS OF JUDGMENT ARE GIVENTHE 7 TRUMPS
1.HAIL AND FIRE MINGLED WITH BLOOD FELL ON EARTH
2.MOUNT ON FIRE AND SEA BECOMES BLOOD
3.A STAR WILL FALL AND THE RIVERS BECOME WORMWOOD AND MANY DIED
4.SOLARS LIGHTS ARE DIMMED
WOE,WOE,WOE TO THE PEOPLE ON EARTH!!!
5.BOTTOMLESS PIT OPENED,AND MIGHY LOCUSTS TORMENTED MAN FOR 5 MONTHS(THEY CANT DIE BUT BE TORMENTED,HOW HORRIBLE!!! OH WELL,THEY ASKED FOR IT!!!)
6.4 DEMONS LOOSED TO KILL "1-3rd" of humanity"
7.THE SEVEN VIALS OF JUDGMENT ARE GIVEN(THE LAST AND WORST JUDGEMENTS)
[u][i]THE 7 VIALS
1.EVERY1 WHO HAS "666" ON THEM WILL HAVE BLOODCURLING BOILS ON THIER BODIES, EVERYWHERE!!!
2,3.EVERY OCEAN,EVERY SEA, EVERY RIVER, [b]ANY SUPPLY OF WATER TURNS TO BLOOD!!!!(CANT DRINK NOW!)
4.THE SUN WILL SCROCH THE EARTH (WE TALKING OVER 100 DEGREES!!)
5.DARKNESS COMES ON THE ANTICHRSIT AND GNAW THIER TOUNGES FOR PAIN
6.EUPHRATES RIVER DRIED,ROAD TO ARMAGEDDON
7.POWERFUL STORMS AND THUNDERS,SCORCHING LETHAL 100 POUND HAIL,AND THE MOST POWERFUL EARTHQUAKE TO SHAKE ALL THE MOUTAINS AND ISLANDS,AND CAUSE THEM TO WITHER AWAY

and this goes for all of you,please if you have sinned and have a grudge agaisnt them,forgive them in your heart or confront them and forgive,if they think you weird for doing that,it's ok! GOD will bless whoever's hated for doing his will,and trust me,you may suffer for GOD now,but soon,you'll be rejoicing with him,believe and and have faith

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Tom:According to II Samuel 5:4, David was thirty years old when he became king of Judah, and he reigned a total of forty years.In II Samuel 5:5, we find he reigned in Hebron about seven years before moving his court to Jerusalem for the next thirty-three or so years.Therefore, David was about thirty-seven years old when he moved his court to Jerusalem.In II Samuel 7:1, we find that after David king was settled in his palace in Jerusalem, Nathan the Prophet came to call. David said to Nathan the Prophet, "Here I am, living in a palace of cedar, while the ark of God remains in a tent."So, this conversation between David and Nathan the Prophet occurred after David was 37 years old, right? So, how old was Nathan the Prophet at this visit, and how old was David's son Nathan? And could they be one and the same Nathan?Well, Tom, it seems in 1 Chronicles 3 we find there were six sons born to David while he reigned in Hebron: Amnon, Daniel, Absalom, Adonijah, Shephatiah, and Ithream. No Nathan there, right? These six were born to David in Hebron, where he reigned seven years or so, and during which he was apparently a very active stud!Then David moved to Jerusalem and these following children were born to him there: Shammua, Shobab, Nathan and Solomon all by Bathsheba, Uriah the Hittite's widow.So, Tom, you’re saying that Nathan, son of David, who was born in Jerusalem was old enough to be a prophet at the time David moved his throne room to Jerusalem, immediately after which Nathan the Prophet appeared for the housewarming visit, and before Nathan son of David's mother Bathsheba had sex with David? Is this another example of a miraculous birth?Regards, AbshalomThis message has been edited by Abshalom, 01-09-2005 20:28 AM

Abshalom, If Nathan was the son of Bathsheba, then I'd agree with you that Nathan the Prophet was not Nathan the son of David. Please show me where you found that Bathsheba was the mother of Nathan. David was quite young when he slew Goliath and Nathan the Prophet talked to Bathsheba about Solomon, when David was an old man. I hope you are able to show conclusively that Bathsheba was the mother of Nathan.
Thanks in Advance,
TomThis message has been edited by Tom, 01-09-2005 22:02 AM

Tom:I thought I referred the passage to you in my post just above your last.Again, its in First Chronicles, Chapter 3, where it's said, in modern English: (4)"David then ruled from Jerusalem for thirty-three years, (5) and during that time, he had thirteen more sons. His wife Bathsheba, daughter of Ammiel, gave birth to Shimea, Shobab, Nathan, and Solomon. (6-8) David's other sons included Ibhar, Elishua, Eliphelet, Nogah, Nepheg, Japhia, Elishama, Eliada, and Eliphelet. (9) David's other wives and concubines also gave birth to sons. Tamar was his daughter." (I Chronicles 3: 4 - 9)So you see, Nathan was Solomon's older brother by the same mother, Bathsheba, Uriah the Hittite's widow.I hope that is sufficient. You may look it up yourself in a translation of the Bible that suits you if you do not like the modern English version I provided.Regards, AbshalomThis message has been edited by Abshalom, 01-09-2005 22:38 AM