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Author Topic:   Lebanon In End Time Bible Prophecy
iceage 
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Message 147 of 178 (347939)
09-10-2006 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by ReformedRob
09-02-2006 3:02 AM


Re: Island was the Main City of Tyre
I have been a lurker here but Bob's last post needed a reply.
ReformedBob writes:
The fact is it was written in a different period of time in a different style in a formerly dead language in a different culture and you are interpreting it applying modern language and cultural standards.
Are you really trying to tell me you are ignorant of metaphors, similes, homilies poetic and figurative language is used in ancient biblical prophecies?
So the inaccurate or difficult parts are metaphors, hyperboles and similes.
Also, have you given us license to claim the creation story, the flood, condemnation of gays, hell, rapture, ordained rape and murder, etc. are metaphors, hyperboles and similes? Great I may now be able to approach Christianity with a little more ease.
Given that you take this prophecy is hyperbole indicates to me that we need a blue letter edition of the bible to highlight which sections are hyperbole and which are to be taken literal. And don't come back with you need to be a believer to truly understand. As then you will have to tell us which sect of Christianity has the true belief and faith as many different sects have their own opinions on such matters.
The idea embodied in the phases "thou shalt be built no more" or Egypt being "desolate forty years among ruined cities" are plain and probably come thru translation uncorrupted. But if you have a translation insights please share those with us.
One further note, take any period BC and make a prophecy of the destruction of a city or region and you have close to a 100% chance of being correct. This is especially true if you only have to part right about the conditions.
ReformedBob writes:
So Revelations is literal to the english? Wow that is groundbreaking news that no one seems to know. Frogs and demons will be coming up the river Euphrates to attack Jerusalem?
This is silly (hyperbole?) as Revelations even notifies the reader that what is to follow is a vision. You and other "intellectuals will spend a prodigious amount of effort trying to relate the metaphors of Revelations to current events, since your time in history is obviously the most important.

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iceage 
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Message 162 of 178 (351978)
09-25-2006 1:40 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by ReformedRob
09-24-2006 10:01 PM


Re: Island was the Main City of Tyre
So I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I take that:
quote:
place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more
pretty much means bad news for future real estate investment. You take it as never again gaining significant prominence. However, the Wiki on Trye says this:
quote:
Today it is the fourth largest city in Lebanon and houses one of the nation's major ports.
Not bad for overcoming a destruction and ruination prophecy and being in the cross-hairs of a doom and gloom god.
quote:
Rome still exists, Jerusalem. Alexandria
Well yes they do still exist but each as been sacked several times during the course of their history and each does not possess the power they once had - just like Tyre. So my point is not flawed at all, but thanks for adding examples!
In other words, we could replace Tyre with Rome, Jerusalem and Alexadria and still have a right-on, uncanny, hang-your-hat on prophecy. Can you name any prominent city that has survived destruction for over 2000 years and has held its status on the world stage?
quote:
In fact hyperbole was used to disguise the message from unbelievers.
I would replace unbelievers with the uninitiated. What you are describing sounds remarkably similar to what I have read about inner city gangs communication.
http://www.nagia.org/...20Articles/Gangs%20Communication.htm
Lastly sorry for false accusing you of being a stock end-timer, since you identified your self as a "partial preterist". I must admit that I had to look the term up. I find myself often surrounded by ego-centric end-time negative thinking that I let slip my frustration. It is wrong to falsely assume that someone holds a certain position for the sake of arguement. I apologize.

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iceage 
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Message 163 of 178 (351980)
09-25-2006 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by ringo
09-25-2006 1:18 AM


quote:
You cant see the poetic language used to describe this?
Bob is the concept of hell merely poetic extravagance?
Where does the poety end and the literal truth start?
Edited by troxelso, : Opps sorry this was meant for Bob - I replied to the wrong message.

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iceage 
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Message 166 of 178 (351984)
09-25-2006 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by ReformedRob
09-25-2006 1:00 AM


Re: Island was the Main City of Tyre
quote:
You cant see the poetic language used to describe this?
Bob is the concept of hell merely poetic extravagance? How about the Creation story, Noah, Babel, Exodus, David/Goliath - poetic license?
Where does the poety end and the literal truth start?

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