Lebanon In End Time Bible Prophecy

I'll take you on but on fair terms. 1) Prophecies fulfilled in the past cannot be so easily dismissed as you claim...put up or shut up.Example. Tyre & Sidon...prophesied that multinational forces in two separate assaults would tear down Tyre and scrape it's foundations into the sea...done...the second assault by Alexander the Great who got so mad at their escape to the Island of Sidon that he took all the remains of the city and built a causeway out to Sidon and killed them all. Look it up and try to refute it.Daniel 9. 69 sevens until Messiah the prince starting from the issuing of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. Artexerxes issued the decree, found by archeologists on a stone cylinder, and exactly to the day, 69 sevens of years later Jesus was proclaimed the Messiah on Palm Sunday in Jerusalem.Daniel 2 & 11. The coming world kingdoms with the white stone cut without hands, the messiah, coming in the fourth. Babylon, Medio Persion, Alexander and Rome. DoneThe fact is there are few prophecies left such as the conversion of the Jews, Romans 11 which has started recently, the second coming like a thief in the night and the rapture and judgment day.The rest are fulfilled and you cannot successfully prove they arent. He who asserts must prove so the burden is on you buddy!

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

give your sources...National Geographic has a pictorial about a decade ago about Tyre still being uninhabited.
And that was only one of several prophecies I gave as examples...what about the rest or will we only debate this one?

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

You claimed Alexander did not assault Tyre..."The siege of Tyre had a lasting effect, for the mole stayed, silted up, and today Tyre is connected to the mainland. Alexander, in his drive to conquer, permanently changed the face of the land. It is deeds like these that drive the many legends of Alexander and made him famous from his day to ours."History of Western Civilization
E.L. Skip Knox
Boise State UniversityI am still getting more cites from historians...more to come

"Alexander did far more against Tyre than Shalmaneser or Nebuchadnezzar had done. Not content with crushing her, he took care that she never should revive; for he founded Alexandria as her substitute, and changed forever the track of the commerce of the world." (Edward Creasy, Fifteen Decisive Battles of the World, ch. 4).Shall I go on? How about the University of Cambridge Ancient Histories?

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

Well what about it? Daniel 2, 9 & 11 the coming world kingdoms and the timing of the messiah?Ignored those...More to come! As time permits!

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

You said to read some histories of Alexander the Great so I am posting some here!"Tyre
The only Phoenician city that refused to come to terms was Tyre (Sur in the language of its inhabitants, "rock"), and Alexander knew that the siege was going to last for months. The situation was more or less comparable to Halicarnassus: he was besieging a harbor town, the enemy had excellent ships and could come and go as they liked. The difference was that the fortifications of Halicarnassus had been protected by a ditch of only fifteen meters wide and that the walls of Tyre were protected by the sea: the old city was built on an island.
Another difference was that the capture of Tyre was strategically unnecessary. Tyre had offered surrender, but had refused Alexander the right to sacrifice in the temple of Melqart during the great festival in February, because only a native king could perform the necessary religious ceremonies. Alexander had felt insulted and had insisted, and this was the sole cause of the siege. No Persian king had ever made such an outrageous demand.In January 332, the siege began. The consequences were clear at once: the Tyrians were forced to recall the ships that had been fighting in the Aegean sea. Since the other Phoenician towns had already recalled their ships after the towns had surrendered to the Macedonians, the Persian naval offensive in the Aegean sea came to an end.To reach the Tyrian walls, the Macedonians built a mole. But the Tyrians still commanded the sea and made the construction extremely difficult. Alexander needed ships to protect the construction, and he was lucky, because Aradus, Tripolis, Byblus, Beirut and Sidon had just recalled their navies. In July, the town was attacked from three sides: the Phoenician fleet destroyed the Tyrian fleet in the "Egyptian port"; Macedonian ships attacked the walls with siege engines; and marines from Cyprus landed in the 'Sidonian port' and forced their way into the city. The siege mole had, after all, been useless.
According to our sources, 6,000 Tyrians were killed during the fighting in the streets (many of which were so narrow that it was easy to step from roof to roof across the street). 4,000 Macedonians were wounded, perhaps 500 were killed. Alexander's indulged in his anger: he ordered 2,000 Tyrians to be crucified on the beach (text)."Error 404 - LiviusOkay I've cited historians who say that Tyre was sacked by multinational forces, Nebuchadnezzar, Alexander and others which you disputed. Alexander built the causeway out to the Island of Sidon by using the stones from the city. Prophecy fulfilled. National Geographic pictorial showing fishermen drying their nets on the bare rocks of Tyre.There is an old saying...Denial is not refutation. All you and those like you do is say, "it didnt happen and you twist to make it fit after the fact" but when directly confronted you fail to respond.And you still have yet to respond to Daniel 2, 9 & 11.

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

give me a credible source not someone's post. Why do all the historians disagree with you? University of Cambridge Ancient Histories etc...I gave you sources give me some.And still no responses to Daniel 2, 9 & 11.When I debated in college lack of response meant acquisence. A point of logic I think you can grasp. If you fail to respond the argument stands. Edited by ReformedRob, : left out a point

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

That thread is irrelevant.I challenged you to be responsible and back up what you said. You didnt. You couldnt provide one source. Ever heard the standard 'He who asserts must prove?' You asserted and referred to another post. that is not proof and yes I looked at the atheists little story which has nothing to do withthis.Ezekiel was written 593-573 BC predicting that Tyre would be besieged by many nations including Nebuchadnezzar and Alexander in 322 BC. it was fulfilled what part dont you get? Explain how Ezekiel knew that many nations would do it hundreds of years before it was done? And Tyre was never the same again. It wasnt rebuilt as it was. A modern city by the ruins in the silt and partially over them does not equal Tyre being rebuilt. Ruins that are still there does not equal rebuilt. Tyre was an important seaport and was never the same. Prophecy fulfilled."Tyre, built on an island and the neighbouring mainland, was probably originally founded as a colony of Sidon to the north and was mentioned in Egyptian records of the 14th century BC as being subject to Egypt. It became independent when Egyptian influence in Phoenicia declined and soon surpassed Sidon as a trade centre, developing commercial relations with all parts of the Mediterranean world. In the 9th century BC colonists from Tyre founded in northern Africa the city of Carthage, which later became Rome's principal rival in the West. The town is frequently mentioned in the Bible as having had close ties with Israel. Hiram, King of Tyre, furnished building materials for Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem (10th century), and the notorious Jezebel, wife of King Ahab, was the daughter of Ethbaal "King of Tyre and Sidon." In the 10th and 9th centuries Tyre probably enjoyed some primacy over the other cities of Phoenicia and was ruled by kings whose power was limited by a merchant oligarchy.For a mosaic of the ethnic groups that form the peoples of the Middle East, click "Present." These ethnic groups are not all Arabs, as most people think.
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Photographic galleries of Phoenicia through the lens of Peter Brown, a Lithuanian/ Scottish American. Visit his site by clicking on the image of Tyre below.For much of the 8th and 7th centuries the town was subject to Assyria, and in 585-573 it successfully withstood a prolonged siege by the Babylonian King Nebuchadrezzar II. Between 538 and 332 it was ruled by the Achaemenian Kings of Persia. In this period it lost its hegemony in Phoenicia but continued to flourish. Probably the most famous episode in the history of Tyre was its resistance to the army of the Macedonian conqueror, Alexander the Great, who took it after a seven-month siege in 332, using floating batteries and building a causeway to gain access to the island. After its capture, 10,000 of the inhabitants were put to death, and 30,000 were sold into slavery. Alexander's causeway, which was never removed, converted the island into a peninsula.Tyre was subsequently under the influence of Ptolemaic Egypt and in 200 became part of the Hellenistic Seleucid kingdom; it finally came under Roman rule in 68 BC. It was often mentioned in the New Testament and was famous in Roman times for its silk products and for a purple dye extracted from snails of the genus Murex. By the 2nd century AD it had a sizable Christian community, and the Christian scholar Origen was buried there (c. 254). Under Muslim rule from 638 to 1124, Tyre grew prosperous as part of the kingdom of Jerusalem, a crusader state in the 12th and 13th centuries. The Holy Roman emperor Frederick I Barbarossa, who died on the Third Crusade, was buried in its cathedral (1190). Captured and destroyed by the Muslim Mamluks in 1291, the town never recovered its former importance.The silted up harbour on the south side of the peninsula has been excavated by the French Institute for Archaeology in the Near East, but most of the remains of the Phoenician period still lie beneath the present town.Tyre was built in ancient times on a small rocky island near the coast. In the 10th century BC, King Kiram of Tyre constructed two ports and a temple on the mainland sector of the city. This was the era when the famous industries of Phoenician glass and purple dye were developed.Behind the walls of the old city the Tyrians successfully defied Nebuchadnezzar for 13 years. Alexander the Great also laid seige to it for 7 months, finally overwhelming the island city by constructing a great causeway from the shore to the island. Over the centuries, however, the causeway was silted up, turning Tyre into an isthmus. In biblical times it was in Qana (Cana) near Tyre that Jesus turned water into wine at the wedding feast.In 1980, modern Tyre's impressive Roman and Phoenician remains prompted UNESCO to make the town one of its world heritage sites."
http://phoenicia.org/cities.htmlMaybe you should read Ezekiel 26 for yourself including the poetic imagery. Tyre was never the same again and was destroyed by multinational forces as prophecied. Again a modern city there has nothing to do with the fulfillment of this prophecy. You guys grasp at straws to disbelieve the obvious. My signature quote here from IITimothy applies well to you guys.Good nite and God Bless.

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

Jar you claimed Alexander failed in his assault from my previous posts:"Alexander did far more against Tyre than Shalmaneser or Nebuchadnezzar had done. Not content with crushing her, he took care that she never should revive; for he founded Alexandria as her substitute, and changed forever the track of the commerce of the world." (Edward Creasy, Fifteen Decisive Battles of the World, ch. 4).
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"After its capture, 10,000 of the inhabitants were put to death, and 30,000 were sold into slavery. Alexander's causeway, which was never removed, converted the island into a peninsula"
http://phoenicia.org/cities.htmlThere is an obvious point you guys keep missing that demonstrates the prophecy to be fulfilled. The fortress on the island and the original city are two different things. The people left the orignal city to go out to the fortress on the island. In order to build the causeway (mole sp?) Alexander took everything from the original city to build the causeway out to the fortress. The original city was never rebuilt and the ruins and city there that you guys keep harping about are from the fortress on the island that Alexander finally sacked and not the original city. As demonstrated from the
Edward Creasy quote above Tyre was no longer the huge city state it once was even though later, the fortress on the island and not the original city used to build the causeway 1/2 mile out to the island, was a place of commerce.So the prophecy of multinational forces attacking Tyre and it being torn down was fulfilled. The only thing left to prove now is the dating of Ezekiel...if it is before Alexander the Great's conquest then the issue is moot. I'll next attack the Higher Criticism School claiming it wasnt written when it claims it was. That's all you guys can claim is that it was written after the fact so once that contention is removed there can be no credible argument about this prophecy even if you still choose to disbelieve it.And

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

Yeah why bother paying attention to important words...that's just quibbling. like the prophecy saying "Behold I am against you, O Tyre and will cause many nations to come up against you" which flies in the face of your statment No, it says MANY NATIONS AND Nebuchadnezzar. Which makes your statement below untenable. And equally untenable And the fortress on the island was not the city of Tyre!And Nebudchanezzar easiy and quickly took the city, as prophesied, but tried for 13 years to take the island fortress which is a separate and different matter.Ramoss,you attempt to redefine the prophecy to say ONLY Nebudchanezzar but it doesnt. And you and others try to make the island fortress the city but it isnt.The facts are the city of Tyre was attacked by 3 separate nations, scraped to the ground by Alexander to build the causeway out the the island fortress after which the city of Tyre never regained its former glory fulfilling the prophecy. But those important details are just quibbling.

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

Yeah I see, it's pretty safe to say a great city/state will be attacked by 'many nations' and 'scraped into the sea' after which it will no longer be a city/state. That is easily forseeable and applies to any great city. Yeah I see again, and the fact that the temple was destroyed with not one stone left standing, the city of Jerusalam was surrounded by armies, false christs led thousands into the desert to be slaughtered, times were so bad in Jerusalem that they had never been seen before and never since, all within one generation was forseeable also. Yeah I see your obvious point Max! The misunderstanding here is the common notion that these prophecies refer to the second coming of christ and the end of times when these prophecies actually refer to the end of the age when the covenant would be removed from the Jews exclusively and opened to anyone and the event was signaled by the destruction of the temple. Edited by ReformedRob, : smiley face typo!Edited by ReformedRob, : spelling

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

No rationalizations. Just applying what it says, Nebudchanezzar and many nations...Nebudchanezzar himself is not many nations. So it is you ignoring the text if you reduce it inexplicably to only Nebudchanezzar and ignore the other two attacks, most notable Alexander. I dont think you will find anyone here or a source to back you up.And you and others ignore the fact the great city of Tyre, the center of the city/state and commerce was not the island fortress and that it was used by Alexander and put into the sea to build the causeway as the prophecy says.And you and others ignore the fact that the city of Tyre fortess, never regained it's former glory as the center of the city/state and center of commerce.And all you really did in your last post is give accusations and conclusions...no debate. You did not respond the to the arguments, evidence and logic with any arguments evidence or logic of your own. Denial is not refutation. It appears the debate about the prophecy of the destruction of the city of Tyre is over. We should then agree to disagree.Good Day and God Bless

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

The prophecies in the Book of Revelations did come to pass, within only a few years after it's writing which is now best dated at 66-68 BC (see Gentry 'The Fall of Jerusalem http://www.Freebooks.com')So it wasnt 2000+ years.The prophecies in Daniel, Matthew 24, Revelations etc... commonly seen as being the 'end times' are a misinterpretation of 'the end of the age' meaning the exclusive covenant with the Jews and the opening of the covenant to include the Gentiles. The prophecies you allude to were all fulfilled by 70 AD. There will be no ten nation confederacy, anti-christ, 7 year tribulation (Rev 1:9 "I John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation...") Those were all fulfilled already. The only prophecies left to be fulfilled in the bible are the conversion of the Jews (Rom. 11) and the second coming like a thief in the night (Matt 24:42&3) It doesnt say bad things will happen, it says that within one generations time (widely held to be 40 years, Hal got that small part right!) things in Jerusalem will be uniquely bad, never to be repeated.The bible is not bound by Hal Lindsey's interpretation and neither am I. I believe the pre-millennial eschatology to be a poor interpretation and wrong. If you want to understand the prophecies you are riduculing then study Preterism. I recommend David Chilton's book 'The Days of Vengeance' which is a verse by verse exegesis of Revelations or shorter summary 'The Great Tribulation'. IMO they are the most scholarly works on the prophecies you ridicule in ignorance

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

Max read my posts on this carefully. I grow weary of repeating myself but I will summarize:It says many nations and Nebudchanezzar, and Nebudchanezzar took the city quickly and easily. Everyone including you who wants to look for a criticism with an apriori eye, mistakenly gets bogged down in the island fortress saga which is not the city, the glory of Tyre of a city state or the center of commerce. And history records that Nebudchanezzar did take the city, just not the island fortress. Alexander scraped the city into the sea to build the causeway to attack the island fortress fulfilling another part of the prohecy, i.e. many nations and scraping the rock bare. And after that Tyre never regained its former status or glory.

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

I agree many Christians looking for Armageddon, the anti-christ, the bombings in Lebanon as the start of Armageddon etc...have been mislead but the problem isnt with the prophecies as you claim. It is with the poor interpretations of them by people like Hal Lindesy. Put the blame where it should be the ignorance of those people.