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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 16 of 78 (232353)
08-11-2005 2:43 PM
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08-10-2005 4:08 PM


Re: Dating of King Hezekiah's Tunnel verified by scientists
The half-kilometer long tunnel was constructed without using intermediate shafts, an engineering innovation for its day.
Is that all? I walked through the damn thing a month ago - flashlight in hand and water to my knees - and it sure seemed a lot longer! It's an impressive structure.

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Message 17 of 78 (232370)
08-11-2005 3:02 PM
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08-11-2005 2:43 PM


Re: Dating of King Hezekiah's Tunnel verified by scientists
i thought i saw that on tv a while back. doesn't sound like news to me.

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Message 18 of 78 (232372)
08-11-2005 3:05 PM
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Re: Dating of King Hezekiah's Tunnel verified by scientists
This has baffled me slightly I'm sure that the place was found around 1900ad - what happened in the intervening period?

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Message 19 of 78 (232378)
08-11-2005 3:21 PM
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08-11-2005 3:05 PM


Re: Dating of King Hezekiah's Tunnel verified by scientists
This has baffled me slightly I'm sure that the place was found around 1900ad - what happened in the intervening period?
actually, i seem to recall the bloody knighs templar using it during the crusades. but i could be wrong

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Tal
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Message 20 of 78 (232589)
08-12-2005 10:50 AM
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08-11-2005 2:06 PM


Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
It further verifies the historical accuracy of John and Zachariah.

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Message 21 of 78 (232592)
08-12-2005 10:54 AM
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08-12-2005 10:50 AM


Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
Does that mean the civil war shows the historical accuracy of Gone with the wind?

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Message 22 of 78 (232597)
08-12-2005 11:32 AM
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08-12-2005 10:50 AM


Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
It proves that the city, pool, town, village indeed existed. Does not prove there is a God. As I have said before, other people wrote about their Gods and cities, so by your reasoning they must also be fact. So there are now multiple Gods in existence, because the stories about them and the places it happened at was written down and actually exist. Who wrote all the stories...oh right man did not God.
So by your reasoning since the place was found the stories about it must be true. I will ask you again like I have in other threads. What makes the story surrounding your God true and not the Stories about other Gods that exist today or others that are consider a myth i.e. Greek mythology. What makes your myth true and not others?

"A Dwarf on a Giants Shoulder sees the Furthest of the Two!"

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Tal
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Message 23 of 78 (232603)
08-12-2005 11:47 AM
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08-12-2005 10:54 AM


Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
That is for you to decide. The main point of this thread is to prove the bible passes the test of History. The book of Mormon, for example, doesn't pass the test. It has people and places in there that never existed.
Skeptics of the bible point to things in the bible that do not have an outside source with which to verify that item/people/place etc.
I bring up the example of Pontius Pilate, who was said to not have existed because he wasn't mentioned anywhere other than the bible.
It wasn't long ago when many scholars were questioning the actual existence of a Roman Governor with the name Pontius Pilate, the procurator who ordered Jesus' crucifixion. In June 1961 Italian archaeologists led by Dr. Frova were excavating an ancient Roman amphitheatre near Caesarea-on-the-Sea (Maritima) and uncovered this interesting limestone block. On the face is a monumental inscription which is part of a larger dedication to Tiberius Caesar which clearly says that it was from "Pontius Pilate, Prefect of Judea."
Now it isn't in dispute. The more evidence that comes out, the more validity the bible has (maybe) in skeptics minds. That or they have to point to something else they don't think the bible is accurate on.

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Tal
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Message 24 of 78 (232605)
08-12-2005 11:53 AM
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08-12-2005 11:32 AM


Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
It proves that the city, pool, town, village indeed existed. Does not prove there is a God.
See message 23.
I'm not proving God, nor is this thread attempting to. It is simply another verification of the historical accuracy of the Bible. If christains think that the bible is the infallable word of God, then it only takes one archealogical/historical contradiction to blow the entire case we make!
Yet time after time, the bible is verified by archeology and history.
Proving God is another thread, and most will say it can't be done.

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What would Xenu do?
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Brian
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Message 25 of 78 (232610)
08-12-2005 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Tal
08-12-2005 11:47 AM


Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
I bring up the example of Pontius Pilate, who was said to not have existed because he wasn't mentioned anywhere other than the bible.
Really, I thought as our resident expert on Josephus you would have been aware that he wrote about Pilate!
On one occasion, when the soldiers under his command came to Jerusalem, he caused them to bring with them their ensigns, upon which were the usual images of the emperor. The ensigns were brought in privily by night, but their presence was soon discovered. Immediately multitudes of excited Jews hastened to Caesarea to petition him for the removal of the obnoxious ensigns. For five days he refused to hear them, but on the sixth he took his place on the judgment seat, and when the Jews were admitted he had them surrounded with soldiers and threatened them with instant death unless they ceased to trouble him with the matter. The Jews thereupon flung themselves on the ground and bared their necks, declaring that they preferred death to the violation of their laws. Pilate , unwilling to slay so many, yielded the point and removed the ensigns.
Josephus, Jewish War 2.169-174; Antiquities of the Jews 18.55-59
Now it isn't in dispute. The more evidence that comes out, the more validity the bible has (maybe) in skeptics minds.
I would be very interested if you could name a scholar or two who doubted that Pilate existed, I think you will stuggle but I await you reply.
You really need to be more critical of your sources. You could really do with taking a few college courses in history, archaeology, and theology, it would make a world of difference to the way you view things.
Brian.

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jar
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Message 26 of 78 (232612)
08-12-2005 12:20 PM
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08-12-2005 11:53 AM


Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
Yet time after time, the bible is verified by archeology and history.
And it is also shown to be wrong time after time by archeology and history.
If you are going to argue for the Bible's historical accuracy don't you think you should also keep a list of the times it was wrong?

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Brian
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Message 27 of 78 (232613)
08-12-2005 12:23 PM
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08-11-2005 9:42 AM


Re: More proof of biblical historical accuracy
Is it the same pool or coincidence?
Is it the same pool that has just been found? If yes, how do we know it is?
Does the existence of the pool mean that Jesus really cured a blind dude?
Archaeology is a complex subject, you should take some classes on it.
Pool of Siloam
The newly discovered pool is less than 200 yards from another Pool of Siloam, this one a reconstruction built between A.D. 400 and 460 by the empress Eudocia of Byzantium, who oversaw the rebuilding of several biblical sites.
The site of yet another Pool of Siloam, which pre-dated the version visited by Jesus, is still unknown.
So, how do we know that this new pool is the one referred to by John?
Brian.

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Tal
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Message 28 of 78 (232635)
08-12-2005 1:37 PM
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08-12-2005 12:20 PM


Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
If you are going to argue for the Bible's historical accuracy don't you think you should also keep a list of the times it was wrong?
Give me an example.

WWXD?
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jar
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Message 29 of 78 (232637)
08-12-2005 1:44 PM
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08-12-2005 1:37 PM


Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
Short list:
  • the Flood
  • the conquest of Canaan
  • the Exodus
  • six day creation

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Tal
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Message 30 of 78 (232641)
08-12-2005 1:55 PM
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08-12-2005 1:44 PM


Re: Nice and simple starter for ten
This thread is about historical accuracy of recent archeology that supports the bible, and I'm going to stick to that topic.
So do you have any examples of that?
You have no archeological evidence to prove that
the Flood
the conquest of Canaan
the Exodus
six day creation
did not happen.
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