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Author Topic:   Historical Plausibility of Paul's Story
Jon
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Message 12 of 64 (435313)
11-20-2007 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
11-19-2007 12:22 PM


"... sprites and goblins."
Does the court have reasonable grounds to dismiss the validity of the manuscripts themselves?
Yes; they're full of stories 'bout spooks and hob-goblins. Another thing, how many (just) courts would base their decision on the testomony of only one person - 'specially when they're the one whose credibility's been called into question?
Why must the probability factor come into play here?
Because, it's part of reason and logic - the only system we have for understanding any of our experiences.
Why must evidence be presented, apart from the original manuscripts?
C'mon, stop joking around.
"Why should we have evidence?"
"Why should we use logic?"
"Why should we be reasonable?"
WHY SHOULDN'T WE?!?
Jon

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Jon
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Message 15 of 64 (435488)
11-21-2007 7:08 AM
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11-21-2007 2:13 AM


Care to address the issue?
Dreams were never rational nor logical until the brainwaves could be measured. Ghosts, spooks, demons, and goblins are still unrealistic descriptions of as yet unexplained events.
What? How is this relevant?
God will never be rational and reasonable unless people take the default position that God is a product of our imaginations and is unknown and unknowable.
Bullshit. LOTS of things are rational and reasonable that are not simply "products of our imaginations." What makes you think God need be relinquished to the trash heap before analysing Him? We certainly don't do that with other things.
Nevertheless, what does any of this have to do with whether or not we use logic and rationality”our only methods for gaining understanding”on evaluating any of the books of the Bible?
Jon
Edited by AgamemJon, : No reason given.

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Jon
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Message 16 of 64 (435489)
11-21-2007 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Phat
11-19-2007 1:40 PM


Re: The Life Of Brian remix
...why are we putting on our history caps and taking off our theological ones?
I swear you must say some of this just for the reaction.
Edited by AgamemJon, : No reason given.

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Jon
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Message 18 of 64 (435494)
11-21-2007 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Phat
11-21-2007 7:28 AM


Re: Paul Bearers at the funeral of illogic
Never mind whether or not he was knocked off his high horse on the road to Damascus.
THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT OF THIS THREAD!
Anyway, lets examine some of Pauls philosophy, shall we?
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We shall have to discuss the philosophy elsewhere though
You don't even read your own words, do you?
We could disprove the entire Bible as nothing more than a collection of Asaps Fables, and the philosophy behind it all would still be open to interpretation. And thats my basic position: That the motives of the authors were noble and the philosophy itself has stood the test of time. Gutenberg didnt invent the printing press simply to crank out propaganda for the masses....
Good points for a Biblical Christian forum largely populated by brainwashed 13-year-olds; but not really up to the standards of historical scholarship, nor is this anywhere near relevant to the topic at hand.
*sigh*

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Jon
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Message 21 of 64 (436407)
11-25-2007 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by doctrbill
11-25-2007 2:54 PM


Re: On the Damascus road
He intended to undermine their ... dirty work of killing off the infidels.
Proof for this?
That the Jews did police their own with deadly effect is evident in the story of Jesus' arrest, trial and execution (in cooperation with Rome, of course).
Of course, this doesn't fit with what even the Biblical account has to say about the issue. Jesus was crucified - which was the punishment that the Romans dealt for political criminals of Rome (i.e., rebels).
I don't know if it is plausible that they could hide that activity from Rome,...
Well, considering that, even according to the story, it was the Romans who carried it out, I'd find it highly implausible.
Jon

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