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Message 46 of 64 (438834)
12-06-2007 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
11-10-2007 5:24 PM


Concerning Saul of Tarsis
Out of all the Apostles, I never would have expected Paul/Saul of Tarsis would be the one questioned historically speaking, but he is credited for writting 13 of the books found in the new testiment. But then this isn't the first time his validity has been questioned, and probly not the last. Pauls writings are considered to be some of the earliest manusctripts. Saul of Tarsis was both a Roman citizen and a Jew.
The book of Acts was written down by Luke (from the gospel of Luke) who has been noted as 'a historian of the highest caliber.'
God bless you and keep reading.
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21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon [all] four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
22 [Even] these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind

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Message 53 of 64 (439694)
12-09-2007 8:29 PM
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12-08-2007 11:07 PM


Re: Concerning Saul of Tarsis
What contradiction? Please elaborate.

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Message 55 of 64 (439723)
12-10-2007 2:37 AM
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12-08-2007 11:07 PM


Re: Concerning Saul of Tarsis
they heard the sound but did not see anyone
saw the light, but they did not understand the voice
This is your 'contradiction'?

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Message 56 of 64 (439728)
12-10-2007 4:14 AM
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12-10-2007 2:37 AM


Re: Concerning Saul of Tarsis
Ok, hypothetically speaking here, lets suppose he wasn't being completely honest. Here is a guy who is going around the Jewish comunity, claiming to know the Messiah, and claiming that the Messiah sent him to preach His gospel. First question; Did any of you read the Old Testiment or the Torah? Remember the Mosaic Laws? Do you know what God says to do to a false prophet? It was an edict From God to stone people (specificaly other Jews) who preached any God but the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Here you have a man who the Jews would have concidered to be twisting the word of God, a false prophet. Being a prophet is a bad enough gig for a Jew at any rate, tell a lie and get stoned, tell the truth and get stoned, these guys where hard on their prophets, but they where even harder on the false prophets. Yet here is a man going around preaching and teaching the salvation of men, not just for the Jews but for the gentiles as well, by grace, through faith in Christ Jesus, whom the Jews did not accept as the Messiah. Whether he's telling the truth or not, he's K.O.S. (Kill On Sight) If anyone has any doubts about this I'd like to see them march into the middle of Tel Aviv or Jerusalem and start preaching Christ as the Messiah. Ten buck says they'll be throwing rocks (if not granades) inside of ten minutes. Furthermore there are atleast 2 accounts (one his own and another from a later date) that say he was beaten more than once, stoned more than once, imprisoned more than once, and he was probly even killed for what he was teaching. Why, in the world, would anyone go through all of that trouble if it was a lie? Not to mention all of the other Apostles who where put to death for teaching Christ as the Messiah. Granted there are probably quit a few cases where someone might be willing to die for a lie, provided they do not know it is a lie? But the apostles, Paul included where supossed to have seen, and in most cases to have traveled with Jesus throughout his minestry, and after His resurection. These people would have KNOWN that they where lieing, if in fact they where. The number of people I can name off the top of my head that would be willing to die for something that they KNOW is a lie...(for something that doesn't implicate them in another crime)...frankly I can't think of one. What purpose is there in it? So that some potentate 3, 4, or 5 hundred years down the road can say, "give to the church, support the ministry?" Come on now, there are only two possibilities, either they where lieing, and knew that they where lieing, or they where telling the truth as best they could about what they saw. There really is no middle ground here.
At any rate, keep digging.

21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon [all] four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
22 [Even] these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind

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Message 58 of 64 (439976)
12-11-2007 3:25 AM
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12-10-2007 5:46 PM


Re: Concerning Saul of Tarsis
they heard the sound but did not see anyone
saw the light, but they did not understand the voice
All you have here is that his companions heard the sound but didn't understand the voice and they saw a light but did not see anyone. Sounds quite specific an acount to me. unless you have more.

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Message 60 of 64 (440195)
12-11-2007 8:00 PM
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12-11-2007 3:58 PM


Re: Concerning Saul of Tarsis
No. Thank You. ambiguous...equivocal, obscure, recondite, abstruse, vague, cryptic, enigmatic....yeah that fits.

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Message 62 of 64 (440665)
12-14-2007 1:16 AM
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12-13-2007 7:46 PM


Re: On the Damascus road
From what I could find Paul was a free born Roman citezen and a Jew. Two reasons given where either that Tarsus, his home town, was a free teritory (or was freed at some point by Rome) or because his Father was free, and therefore he was free born. There are several ways for one to become free, one was service to the state/country/government or purhaps as you suggest his father worked for his freedom.

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