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portmaster1000
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Message 1 of 20 (137051)
08-26-2004 1:23 PM


For this topic (probably best put The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy), let's suppose the events of the book of Revelation are still to come. Are the children born during the timeframe described doomed?
Any child would be born into a populace of cursed people. People who did not accept Jesus during the preceding time of grace and mercy. Do these children have any hope?
As always, Just Wondering
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08-26-2004 2:33 PM


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Message 3 of 20 (137110)
08-26-2004 3:11 PM


Dont' know
but isn't Revelation an apostasy to the faith? why is it even in the Canon. It certainly had problems getting in and the Orthodox church isn't a big fan to say the least.

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Message 4 of 20 (137328)
08-27-2004 10:06 AM
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08-26-2004 3:11 PM


Re: Dont' know
Eta_Carinae writes:
It certainly had problems getting in and the Orthodox church isn't a big fan to say the least.
It is, however, "in". I can certainly see why the book caused controversy then as it still does today. Never the less, it's definitely hard to pinpoint an answer about post-apocalypse children in it's verses.
thanx
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Message 5 of 20 (137867)
08-29-2004 3:25 PM
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08-27-2004 10:06 AM


Re: Dont' know
No one is going to be born during that time. Everything will be so bad that everyone will get an abortion. I think a reincarnation of Moses and elija will be the only ones to be born so they can preach the word of God.

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Message 6 of 20 (137869)
08-29-2004 3:31 PM
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Re: Dont' know
The tribulation is only seven years, though. Is that enough time to be born, get old enough to preach, and then be martyred?

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Message 7 of 20 (137870)
08-29-2004 3:32 PM
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08-27-2004 10:06 AM


Re: Dont' know
Not only is it in, but accepted by most of the religious right as a literal description of things to come.

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portmaster1000
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Message 8 of 20 (137887)
08-29-2004 4:48 PM
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08-29-2004 3:25 PM


Where?
Guidosoft writes:
No one is going to be born during that time. Everything will be so bad that everyone will get an abortion.
Is this idea speculation or based in Scripture? If not mere speculation then please cite the passage and verse.
Your mention of abortion brings up another thought about the time line of Revelation. When the faithful are "raptured" will this include kids? How about the unborn? Would a fetus be taken from a Non-Christian woman?
Just Wondering
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Message 9 of 20 (137913)
08-29-2004 6:11 PM
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08-29-2004 4:48 PM


Re: Where?
OK, my last statement is only based on the sinful state that the world will be at. So forgive me. I made it sound like an absolute fact rather is an opinion.
1)Kids depending on their age and mental state will not be held accountable in the sight of god because they do not have yet or cannot have the brain campacity to accept or reject anything such as christ reasonably. They will be raptured.
2)Everyone who has accepted christ as their personal savior will be raptured.
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portmaster1000
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Message 10 of 20 (137984)
08-29-2004 11:52 PM
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08-29-2004 6:11 PM


Square One
Guidosoft writes:
OK, my last statement is only based on the sinful state that the world will be at. So forgive me. I made it sound like an absolute fact rather is an opinion.
Nothing to forgive, I just wanted some clarification.
So I'm still back at my original question. How will God deal with these "graceless" children of the end times?
thanx
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Message 11 of 20 (139644)
09-03-2004 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by portmaster1000
08-26-2004 1:23 PM


quote:
For this topic (probably best put The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy), let's suppose the events of the book of Revelation are still to come. Are the children born during the timeframe described doomed?
Any child would be born into a populace of cursed people. People who did not accept Jesus during the preceding time of grace and mercy. Do these children have any hope?
We must remember that God is love. God can fortell the future of a child--that if he/she had been born in a populace of good people, He would save them. He can forsee the direction of a soul...whether they would have chose evil or good. Remember, the children that grow up to be murderers, rubbers, and thugs, have a concience at least in one point of their life. God looks at the heart and determines whether the individual is living up to all that he knows to be right. If this individual is living up to all that he/she knows, they WILL accept truth IF it is presented to them. This is what God can forsee.
However, those that are doomed, are those who WOULDN'T have accepted truth if it was presented to them. This God can forsee too.
For example, if God can see that a Buddhist is doing all in his power to follow what he/she believes because he/she sincerely in his/her heart is doing all that he/she knows to be truth, God will save him/her, for this would have been a person who would have accepted truth had it been presented to him/her.
However, those who are not honest at heart and stubborn in their ways will reject the truth if it comes their way.

~Lysimachus

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portmaster1000
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Message 12 of 20 (140723)
09-07-2004 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Lysimachus
09-03-2004 3:59 PM


Lysimachus, I'm not really following what you are saying.
Can you tailor an example around a child that is born and grows up during the Revelation time period?
thanx
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dpardo
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Message 13 of 20 (141056)
09-08-2004 6:15 PM


I think that a child born under the conditions you describe would not necessarily be hopeless.
From Ezekiel 18:
"Now, lo, if he [a wicked man] beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like,...
he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live."

  
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Message 14 of 20 (141058)
09-08-2004 6:21 PM
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09-03-2004 3:59 PM


Could you answer post number 10, please?

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Message 15 of 20 (141089)
09-08-2004 8:50 PM
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09-08-2004 6:21 PM


I'm not sure if Darth Mal's question is directed at me but I'll give my answer.
Concerning the following question:
How will God deal with these "graceless" children of the end times?
I believe he would deal with them as he would deal with any other child.

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