The Inerrancy of the Bible

If you don't believe that the Bible as we have it now is the literal, inerrant, eternal Word of God, then I have no issue with you.But if you believe that the Bible was dictated word-for-word by God to its human authors, then the numbers should come out right, because why would God need to approximate?

In case you missed message 206 directed at you, Ned Your Creation Day question can't prove error because scientists themselves still don't know how old the Earth is... Heck, Greek scientists once thought the Earth was flat (yes, that wasn't just the Christians who consequently adopted the idea from them)Not to mention that "old-earth" theories are for another forum (and please remember that you shouldn't just repeat the same sentence post after post). This isn't the place to debate the enormous amount of "scientific" assumptions you base your beliefs on...

Coragyps, The Magi on their trek to Judah, following Jupiter as it wandered toward's the city of Bethlehem. The Magi looking for the location of Jupiter in sky in the early hours before sunrise. Then from Jerusalem they beheld the Planet of Kings (Jupiter) over Bethlehem. The next day looking just before sunrise, they would of beheld it still over Bethlehem. Interesting link about the signs heralding the Lord Jesus birth. I hope you enjoy them as much as I have.It is quite interesting that astronomy confirms that Jupiter actually stopped over the city of Bethlehem in December of 2.B.C. in agreement with scripture.

Are you talking about the Greek scientists who not only knew that the Earth was a sphere, but were able to estimate its diameter within 1% accuracy? Those guys?

I don't disagree that a "significant portent" could have been fabricated... But considering Josephus' account was written after the fact too (after he'd gone through a war, changing sides, various jobs, etc.) you need some better evidence It's hard to prove an "error" has occured if you're going on speculation alone...As for the guy referencing the Roman History and the German? book. "Roman History" is apparently incomplete (due to loss/destruction) and I'm not fluent in German so to help out us little folk, please translate the relevant info

A former consul being officially demoted to the Equestrian class ? Do you know anything about Roman society ? TO the best of my knowledge it would be all but impossible and certainly worthy of comment. And given that the whole idea that Quirinius was a Procurator in Syria at all has no evidence at all you are clinigng to a lot ov VERY slender reeds of speculation, all to avoid admitting a problem. Any rational person would hesitate to insist that such speculations MUST be true - and would accept that there is a very real problem here.And just because the Romans got to say who should rule a state and dictate foreign policy doesn't mean that they would hold a census for taxes that didn't even apply. There's no record of a Roman tax census in Herod's time and no reason to belief there was. It's just another invention to avoid admitting that the evidence is very strognly aginst even the possibility.Finally if you haven't noticed how different the two Nativity stories are then you haven't really read them. Just to point out one contradiction (as opposed to the may things which appear in only one account) in Luke Jospeh and Mary live in Nazareth and are only visiting Bethlehem. In Matthew Joseph and Mary only decide to move to Nazareth after they return from EgyptThis message has been edited by PaulK, 01-19-2005 19:19 AM

oh come on. seriously now. as a CHRISTIAN i seriously object to his spiritual messages, and i've heard he can be quite judgemental and mean to those "innocent little children" during his public circuses. no, you obviously buy it hook line and sinker. the man is a liar and fraud, and not the face i want representing MY saviour. do a little research on the fellow and his arguments. go see what talkorigins has to say on him for instance. you can't be serious. whether or not you agree with evolution, archaeology is still very worth of federal tax grants. no, because kent hovind's stuff IS false. there is accountability, and hovind lost. he should be prosecuted for trying to decieve schoolchildren, and trying to put religion into public education. ha. hahahaha. yeah. ok. whatever.

ie: not enoch. different book.either way, both are apocryphal literature and written after the biblical texts. might as well count paradise lost, it supports your point. maybe milton was inspired.

i think that may have been me, in an attempt to get him to understand my point. and when i repeatedly have to post entire chapters of the bible, and explain each and every section, and tom fails to have even the most basic level of reading comprehension and keeps belching out the same tired bible verse we've already addressed at length... i have reason to question his intelligence. i am also, btw, a christian. i should put that in my signature here, as people seem to get confused.

i wasn't aware that the bible said a precise age of the earth. in fact, it doesn't seem too good on dates in general.alot can be extrapolated, though. but you run into problems even within the text. judges takes up about 4 times as much time as the period in which the events would have had to occured.

post fall? they're not to common in the winter here....

Arachnophilia, The bible being Gods truth to man, says that man was made in his image. I have a hard time understanding why you would support fraud in museums that go contrary to what you believe to be truth (you do believe the Word to be True). These museum curators are criminals, and should be prosecuted. Millions of dollars to have artists put human hands on chimp fossils. Then to have children brought in by the bus loads to view the great dispay as if its truth. The bible says man was made in his image, hopefully you agree with the Great Kent Hovind that Lucy human hands and feet is simply not truth, if so then the Lucy display education value is moot (of no value).

You missed a word"great BULLSHITTER Kent Hovind".Trust me - dropping that name is like saying "I talk nonsense take no notice".

That's what I told you above. It happens every year to the outer planets - they seem stationary against the star backdrop. Anyone viewing it from anywhere on Earth would have seen Jupiter stationary against the star backdrop. Nobody on Earth could or would have seen it "stopped in the sky above the little town of Bethlehem." It would have gone on to set, exactly like every celestial body that isn't circumpolar does. It didn't "stop over Bethlehem." It "stopped" over the whole Earth as far as - only as far as - its motion against the starry background.

And you've seen God, Tom? How big is His Holy Penis?