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New Cat's Eye
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Message 301 of 313 (701351)
06-17-2013 3:15 PM
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06-17-2013 3:02 PM


Europa riding a bull is ancient greek mythology. It predates chrisitan mythology. It has nothing to do with Revelations at all.

Where do you think John got the idea for his prophecy from? Answer: ancient greek mythology.

Oh, I thought it was a revelation from Jesus. I didn't realize he was just ripping off the greeks.


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Message 302 of 313 (701355)
06-17-2013 6:38 PM
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06-17-2013 3:15 PM


Jesus spoke to John in a cultural context he understood. Jesus used common cultural imagery of John's day to communicate his prophecy.
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Message 303 of 313 (701360)
06-17-2013 8:28 PM
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06-17-2013 6:38 PM


Then you can't distinguish the influence of the case in question as being either from the greeks or from the prophesy.

ABE:

Maybe I should expound a bit:

We're talking about this coin:

And people saying that it's indicative of the harlot and the beast from Revelations.

I think that's stupid. Do you disagree?

I say that it was influenced by the greek myth about Europa and the bull, ya know, what with being a Euro and all.

You can't claim that Revelations was also influenced by greek mythology and then conclude that this is indicative of Revelations because you're not ruling out that this was just influenced by the greeks without anything at all coming from Revelations.

Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE


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Message 304 of 313 (701369)
06-18-2013 12:24 AM
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06-17-2013 6:38 PM


Why assume a Greek source rather than Jewish ? Isn't the whole idea of beasts representing empires straight out of Daniel ?
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Message 305 of 313 (803917)
04-05-2017 5:17 PM
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01-02-2005 7:42 PM


To answer your queries..... means you have to learn the basics.

"I'm not sure that this is the most appropriate place to ask the question as this is more of a Biblical question than a creo question, but I don't hang around many of these forums so I thought I'd ask here.
I'm not an endtime prophecy buff, usually I leave the speculation about it alone. Too much other stuff to worry about than when the world's going to end. However, I heard (sadly, didn't obtain) a very convincing article (author unknown to me)relating to negotiations by someone named Javier Solona. If I remember correctly he's the foreign affairs guy in the European Union. He's currently working on a seven year peace treaty involving 17(?) countries in the middle east, including Isreal, for some economic reasons - letting them into the EU trading block. The peace treaty would come into effect on January 1, 2007. It would be reviewed at the 3 1/2 mark.

My question being. Where is the scriptures that talk about the peace treaty, and does anybody else know anything about this guy? I'm not pointing fingers and saying "Look! There's the Anti-Christ!" because people have been doing that 2000 years and have been wrong every time. However, any information you could give to satisfy my curiosity would be greatly appreciated. """

The Seven Year Covenant is mentioned in many places, Revelation, Daniel etc... I have it broken down in Daniel 9, with hyperlinks to Revelation and the other prophets.

Biblically the maker of the Covenant is talked about in Daniel 11, he is called the Prince of the Covenant, but he gets killed or replaced by the AC. at the mid point as you had gathered.

But the Covenant or Pact (military, economic, religious involves TEN as in 10 nations exactly.... Daniel 2, ten toes, ten horns in Revelation etc etc etc.... truths are always repeated over and over and over again in the Design Book of Prophecy, so none can say they have an excuse (if they can read) So NO, forget 17 nations, as ten nations including Israel sign.....

If you want further information just ask.... but do the basic research to start with.... so you have a basis in understanding

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Message 306 of 313 (803923)
04-05-2017 5:43 PM
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06-14-2013 10:23 AM


Re: The woman in Revelation
Faith writes:

No desperation involved. A bunch of us IMMEDIATELY saw the Europa statue in terms of the woman on the beast in Revelation. Straightforward recognition. All the "objective" stuff is absolutely irrelevant.

For what it's worth, the Biblical story of the angel Gabriel visiting the Virgin Mary (Luke 1:26-38) reminds me of the myth of Leda and the swan ('his wings as drifted snow', etc.). No doubt this is just as silly as seeing the Europa statue in terms of the woman of Revelation 17. One can make anything out of myths.


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Message 307 of 313 (803956)
04-06-2017 12:29 AM
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04-05-2017 5:17 PM


quote:

I'm not an endtime prophecy buff, usually I leave the speculation about it alone. Too much other stuff to worry about than when the world's going to end. However, I heard (sadly, didn't obtain) a very convincing article (author unknown to me)relating to negotiations by someone named Javier Solona. If I remember correctly he's the foreign affairs guy in the European Union. He's currently working on a seven year peace treaty involving 17(?) countries in the middle east, including Isreal, for some economic reasons - letting them into the EU trading block. The peace treaty would come into effect on January 1, 2007. It would be reviewed at the 3 1/2 mark.

This has to be a careless cut-and-paste job. A seven-year treaty that came into effect on January 1 2007 would have expired 3 years ago.


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Message 308 of 313 (804003)
04-06-2017 11:52 AM
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04-06-2017 12:29 AM


Davidjay seem to be nothing more than copypasta.
Javier Solona left EU leadership in 2009

I wonder how long we are going to have to put up with this joker.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 309 of 313 (804005)
04-06-2017 12:06 PM
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04-05-2017 5:17 PM


Davidjay writes:

... 10 nations exactly.... Daniel 2, ten toes, ten horns in Revelation etc etc etc.... truths are always repeated over and over and over again in the Design Book of Prophecy, so none can say they have an excuse (if they can read)


Magic numbers are repeated because they're magic numbers, not because they have any significance in reality.
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Message 310 of 313 (804017)
04-06-2017 1:22 PM
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04-06-2017 11:52 AM


Davidjay seem to be nothing more than copypasta.
Javier Solona left EU leadership in 2009

I wonder how long we are going to have to put up with this joker.

He was replying to the OP, written in 2005. That's why the question about Solana is in quotation marks.

The OPs question was posed 12 years ago, however, and was the poster's sole contribution. I don't think he's still awaiting a reply.


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Message 311 of 313 (804069)
04-06-2017 11:35 PM
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04-06-2017 1:22 PM


Yes, this thread is Ancient of Days old..... I quess, new threads haven;t been granted for up to date prophecy.

As mentioned, intelligent design is in TIME as well as distances, and speeds (Someday we might get to discuss Light Speed Design if enough people ask for it on NEW PROPOSED TOPICS.)

Time is by design, whether the exact history from the Beginning all the way up to the Return of the Creator of Time. Prophecy is about future time design. You cant alter it, it will happen just as exactly as the past fulfilled prophecies..exactly as in exactly..

Do note what happened today, Mid East War breaks out eventually til it has to be resolved by the Peace Covenant... 10 nations sign, not 11, not 9... 10 as in 10.. ten toes, ten kingdoms, ten horns.... repeat repeat repeat, as almost all prophecies are repeated over and over and over again....

Cut and paste, I only do that when I denote it.

Im alive and kicking.....

If you want to know whats happening ...just ask


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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.

The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.


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Message 312 of 313 (806492)
04-26-2017 1:48 AM
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04-06-2017 11:35 PM


The EU is not in endtime prophecy, the ten nations that sign the covenant that ends the insane wars in the Mid east is....

***********************

If there is anything you should be interested in, it’s the next world government and what its distinguishing trademarks are.
You should want to know where on the timeline to the End we are. You should be studying current events, to see if that next
world government is coming into being, or what brings it into existence. Yet as mentioned in ‘Prophetic Basics’, these truths
should have been repeated so many times in scriptures that you absolutely can not deny them. If you apply yourself and use your
God given brain and common sense, surely you won’t have to be seduced into spiritualism and quessing, but simply use logic
and reason through comprehension of the written words. Why because the Lord made sure, the information is there so everyone
would be accountable and have access to His Truths. So let’s begin, from one of the basics….Daniel 2

For in Daniel 2, the dream and interpretation given to Daniel from the Lord, states quite clearly that the world government after
the legs of iron (Rome) will end up in ten toes. That’s the design of the body, and that’s one of the specific parameters, ten
toes representing an coalition of ten countries into one SUPER POWER. The previous world powers were
1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon (Head)
4. Medo Persia (Breast)
5. Greece (Belly)
6. Rome (Legs)
7. 10 Nation (Toes) SEE Seven World Governments

And Daniel’s prophecies have been fulfilled exactly !!!! As Daniel was in the Babylonian time as a captive and yet
prophesied via the Lord’s Spirit, the coming of the Medes and Persians, the coming of Alexander, the Greek, then the iron
fisted rule of Rome…… as we await this mysterious ten nation world empire. How many nations ? Ten, are you sure. Maybe
nine ? Maybe 11, NO it said 10. exactly ten nations shall combine and become the 7th World Government ordained by the Lord to
take over the Earth. O.K. then it should be repeated in more places than just there in Daniel 2… RIGHT ?

Well study Daniel 7, as in another dream about beasts or world kingdoms, it states…

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, (Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome) which shall be
diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. (That was Rome)
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are TEN kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse
from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. (There it is Brethren, it says distinctly out of the Roman Empire, after its fall, shall
arise ten horns or kings or kingdoms. Read Daniel 7:24 again. How many… TEN. And later, we can put on our simple
mathematical caps and figure out how many nations are left if three are taken away. But lets keep that logic for later, as there is an
EIGHTH KINGDOM, a final AC kingdom, that springs out of the 7th kingdom of TEN Countries. Now do not get confused this
is simple. But you say, is that all. Absolutely not, as Daniel and Revelation state the exact same things. Both got prophecy direct
from the Lord, and all their prophecies mesh together cohesively, logically, rationally. So we would expect Revelation to also
mention this TEN NATION ALLIANCE, and it does. )

Read Revelation 17:11-13 (King James Version)

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (There it is the beast that
is the EIGHTH World Government, and he goes into perdition. Perdition meaning Hell. So who goes into perdition…the Anti-
Christ, for he sets up the EIGHTH World Government)
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one
hour with the beast. (There it is AGAIN, Brethren, how can we miss seeing its confirmation, once again. The ten horns are ten
kings, 10 countries.)
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. (Hmmmm why would a ten nation coalition, a
world power give up their worldly power to a single beast. Why, well look above, it just said he destroyed three horns of the ten
horns. So would not seeing three whole countries neutralized, be enough proof that this new world leader could easily neutralize
your country as well. So what do they do, they surrender all their power to him. And there be the WORLD LEADER of the
future. The ANTI-CHRIST.. See how the plot thickens and it gets more comprehensible all the time. But where did it all start….
A TEN NATION WORLD GOVERNMENT.)

Well lets return to Daniel and this time understand the timeline of events, even though Revelation also gives the same length of
time as did Daniel. So study Daniel 9

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the
oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that
determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (Covenant ? What’s a COVENANT, simply an agreement. An agreement of
how many countries ? TEN, Now you are getting it ! And HERE, it gets a little mathematical, Grade FIVE mathematics, so any of
us can figure it out. It is not rocket science and calculus. For through a mathematical or even a linquistic study you can find out
that a week, or shubah equals 7 years. So how long a time span to the midst of the week ? How much is half a week, 3.5 years.
Bells should be going off in your mathematical brains BRETHREN, 3.5 years is 42, months, is 1260 days, and so Daniel is
meshing with Revelation, is you had kept those numbers in your mind when reading through Revelation.).

Yet it says above that this Covenant will be confirmed by many. So how many are many ? Well you already determined that
many in this case is exactly TEN. It was confirmed in 4 places. Its not a quess or hypothesis, but a repeated fact, a repeated
number. From HERE, with your ever-expanding prophetic mind, the whole prophetic scope of the FUTURE opens up. For then
you can follow the current events, that lead up to this Covenant of TEN NATIONS. And what makes them sign a Peace
Covenant, simply put a MID-EAST WAR.

Nevertheless, you can rest assured that all HELL is not going to happen for a while. Because you will know that you will have
time after the Covenant signing, it is not the end of the world. And you will have to grasp onto prophetic flakes who start guessing
the wildest scenarios out of the blue for the doom and gloom of the Earth. For you can have stability and calm in the midst of the
storm ...... as the Lord’s progression goes forward.

You can THEN delve into the Lord’s PLAN even more. You can stay positive and inspired rather than getting depressed and
isolated. Because it's all there for us BRETHREN, and it is repeated so many times for us that we can have FAITH and
CONFIDENCE in the Future and in Prophecy. So what's next on the timeline of the Lord. A MID-EAST WAR that is stopped
by a TEN NATION COVENANT. These TEN NATIONS being the 7th Kingdom on Earth, the 7th World Government.

David

April 2011


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 313 of 313 (811498)
06-08-2017 7:51 PM
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04-26-2017 1:48 AM


Forget Brexit, and EU....
What you have to realise is that the ***************** are the three countries that have nuclear power that get negated by the even more vile country of ******..

Consequently, terrorist acts join them together in their unhealthy union to supposedly fight against.......

These are the three toes that get broken in Daniel 2, these leave the seven countries that sign the upcoming Covenant after the Iran/Syrian/Russian war in the Mid East, without protection so that they agree with the rising power and JOIN with them.

This explains current events and what happening and how the dark side is fulfilling the light side and the DESIGN OF TIME called prophecy

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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