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Message 61 of 603 (131155)
08-06-2004 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Buzsaw
08-06-2004 9:58 PM


Re: Emperical evidence?...
Come on - this is clearly a marketing pitch!
BUY THE VIDEO ! BUY THE VIDEO!
Here's a challenge for our friends - makes an arguement without trying to flog some tat.
Hi Ned. Where in the world can go to see how the first living cell came to be, how DNA came to be, how the sexes evolved in all living creatures and while we're showing and telling, how I can view the evidence of a closed system universe?
And that had what to do with evidence you claim exists right now?
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Message 63 of 603 (131159)
08-06-2004 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by jar
08-06-2004 10:09 PM


Re: Map of Exodus route
ah! but do you have a video?

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Message 66 of 603 (131167)
08-06-2004 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by nator
08-06-2004 10:16 PM


Re: Emperical evidence?...
I asked the following questions a number of times, they have never attempted to answer them in this straight-forward format once..
EVIDENCE ITEM 1: What is it?
1)WHICH LAB CONDUCTED INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION?
2)WHEN WAS THIS CONDUCTED?
3)WHAT TESTS WERE PERFORMED?
4)WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF 3?
5) WHERE IS THE DOCUMENTATION AROUND THE VERIFICATION PROCESS? AVAILABLE?

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CK
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Message 89 of 603 (131279)
08-07-2004 6:48 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by NosyNed
08-06-2004 11:35 PM


Re: Emperical evidence?...
we are going around in circles here - I have provided a handy template to summaize the evidence - Buzz would prefer to fuddle the issue by makes reference to "primary schools" and the like.
Stick ONE of your pieces into my template - you can't get you?
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Message 90 of 603 (131291)
08-07-2004 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by CK
08-07-2004 6:48 AM


My apologies
It seems that my remark of "bullshiters" caused such angst to our creationist friends that a few of them felt the need to e-mail me and call me to task on my choise of words.
I would like it to be known that I don't consider all creationists to bullshitters - only those who carry on with such nonsense like this.
That is all.

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Message 117 of 603 (131344)
08-07-2004 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Lysimachus
08-07-2004 1:26 PM


Re: Emperical evidence?...
Who was addressing you? you seem to have what our european chums called a "big neck".

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Message 123 of 603 (131362)
08-07-2004 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by John Williams
08-07-2004 2:40 PM


Re: To Lysimachus
But John, what different would any of that make to proper scientific tests of the evidence?
Science is never about testimony, when people want to talk about people and their characteristics in emotive terms (Brave, clever etc) rather than the evidence, you have to ask yourself why.
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Message 125 of 603 (131364)
08-07-2004 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by John Williams
08-07-2004 3:05 PM


Re: My opinion
Can you provide some links to those pictures? Do they differ from what we have seen?
John - how do you know that the photos are the real deal? If it was you, how would you go about proving the nature of those finds?

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Message 129 of 603 (131371)
08-07-2004 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Asgara
08-07-2004 3:46 PM


Re: To Lysimachus
can supporters just give us ONE piece of evidence that had been checked by independent sources?

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Message 133 of 603 (131425)
08-07-2004 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by John Williams
08-07-2004 6:42 PM


Re: Wyatt & Red Sea etc.
If that's the case, I think it's pretty gullible to believe that the U.S. sent men to the Moon. Unless there are rocks and samples from the moon's surface that can be identified as "not from our world", I will have to discredit the notion that we whent to the moon because pictures and film are not scientific, and neither are witnesses accounts.
Well we have transportation devices that we can examine, we have radio transmissions that we use science to explore where they came from. We have tons and tons of documentation that can examined and explored.
I'm just joking around, but I think you know what I'm trying to get at.
Not really no - we have too much evidence that we can explore in a number of ways - including rocks!
Look you guys, I am open to the possibility that Ron was a complete fruitcake, and that his discoveries were nothing but moneymaking hype. But until Some one can disprove his Red Sea/Mt. Sinai theory in specific, I am open minded and infact believe that he did find some remarkable items in the Red Sea.
You have it back to front, he has to prove his claims not the other way around. it only works that way when shysters and pseudo-science is involved.
It fine for you to have a belief but it's not proof, you would agree?

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Message 153 of 603 (131541)
08-08-2004 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Lysimachus
08-08-2004 1:22 AM


Re: Wyatt & Red Sea etc.
Here's your info. I went browsing throughout both of the old threads and pulled the links where I posted my old messages. There is a ton of info couched in these threads. I also encourage reading the rebuts of the critics as well as the messages that some of my messages were meant to be responses to:
81 has some talk about some high-profile scientists examining the evidence, no details about who and how — So an assumption and no evidence to back it up
82 is some pictures and some stills from the video around the wheels — lots of claims — still no actual discussion of the verification process, if any
More general claims, some using circular reasoning: it’s in the book, so therefore the book is right. Claims (just like those around evolution) that more and more scientists are coming around, no names given. More claims about the amount of evidence, still no details of how independent verification was performed or even occured.
170 has some links to some news sites. The contention is that, if news sites are interested, the story must be true. Anyone want to buy Hitler’s diaries?
179 is long and rambling. Lots of theories, still no production of any evidence that has been tested
Read Message 229! (very good) & 240
EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
229 — more claims, still no actual sign of any testings. 230 is actually more interesting, it seems that we have to be careful as wyatt has powerful enemies who will stop at nothing to destroy his work. It is standard X-Files stuff I had the evidence but it’s gone!
240 has lots of claims and assumptions — no evidence offered to support them
I got bored at this stage, I may look at the rest later.

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Message 154 of 603 (131556)
08-08-2004 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by Buzsaw
08-08-2004 2:59 AM


Re: Re: Wyatt & Red Sea etc.
Let's have a look at some of the links provided:
Lots of stuff here, including the usual 15 feet men A nice picture of the Starship Enterprise is maybe the only reason to visit this site. The evidence for the exodus seems to consitute of pictures of video/book covers (and of course, links to buy those things).
This claims that Wyatt's claims are correct because two people say that it is (in the bible two eyewitnesses means that an account is true). I'm reminded of the simpsons at this point: Your tears say more than real evidence EVER could...
Evidence..sorry site not found
Evidence..sorry site not found
Now this one is sort of interesting, however Fundies can't help themselves... One source of evidence is "people have testified", the other is that "Satan is trying to cover up the evidence". Of course he is, now just drink this kook-aid right up...
Stand back! I've got a MOLECULAR FREQUENCY GENERATOR and I'm not afraid to use it!
the old stand-by "We will not be bullied into revealing all of our research until we are finished with our work" - or maybe any of it? Let's face it, you can't be too careful if Satan is running around trying to cover this stuff up
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Message 158 of 603 (131569)
08-08-2004 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Brian
08-08-2004 10:42 AM


Re: Charles Knight's challenge...
Well it's funny - we keep getting told that they don't have time to list the evidence in the simple template I provided - strange how they have time to produce lengthy essay-type posts....

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Message 161 of 603 (131572)
08-08-2004 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by Buzsaw
08-08-2004 11:07 AM


so would this be fair?
EVIDENCE ITEM 1: What is it?
A piece of coral shaped like a wheel.
1)WHICH LAB CONDUCTED INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION?
N/A
2)WHEN WAS THIS CONDUCTED?
N/A
3)WHAT TESTS WERE PERFORMED?
N/A
4)WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF 3?
N/A
5) WHERE IS THE DOCUMENTATION AROUND THE VERIFICATION PROCESS? AVAILABLE?
N/A

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Message 165 of 603 (131580)
08-08-2004 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Brian
08-08-2004 11:20 AM


Re: Give it time, give it time....

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