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Author Topic:   "The Exodus Revealed" Video II
JimSDA
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Message 3 of 603 (130745)
08-05-2004 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Admin
08-05-2004 11:28 AM


Charles Knight's challenge...
I just sent an e-mail to Charles Knight explaining why none of us will probably take Charles up on his "challenge" to once again debate the evidence of the Exodus discovery by Ron Wyatt and Lennart Moller -- the main reason is that the person he really needs to speak with is Lennart Moller!
The supporters of Ron/Moller's Exodus material already spent endless hours uploading their posts onto the previous message thread, just to have it all crash and vanish -- and now you ask us to do it again??
After all of those posts, Charles' finally comment was that we were all "bullshitters" -- so why would we ever want to debate a person like this when we know that everything we could ever say would mean absolutely nothing to him?
If people want to see the material, it's for FREE on these websites:
Wyatt Archaeological Research
Anchor Stone International - Ron Wyatt, Noah's Ark, Sodom & Gomorrah, Red Sea Crossing, Ark of the Covenant
Pinkoski.com – Works of Jim Pinkoski
Folks, look at it or don't -- believe in it or don't -- it's entirely your choice.

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JimSDA
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Message 8 of 603 (130843)
08-05-2004 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Amlodhi
08-05-2004 6:59 PM


Re: Charles Knight's challenge...
Guys, the "evidence" would be:
1) The route as it compares to the description in the Bible (which means you would have to wade through a long, long verse-by-verse description of what the Bible says, which I don't think you folks are up to doing).
2) The geography of the route, which would include a study of the beach at Nuweiba, the underwater landbridge, and the area at and around Jebel el Lawz (the mountain identified as Mt. Sinai).
3) A study of the physical evidence, the coral covered items in the gulf and the various things at and around Jebel el Lawz (while keeping in mind that all of this stuff is 3,500 years old).
Who should you "debate"?
LENNART MOLLER!
He did the diving there, he wrote the book, he contributed his material to the Exodus Revealed video!
Ron is DEAD, so you can't talk with him -- so if you want technical questions answered, get in touch with Moller!
Will he do it?
I seriously doubt it.
So I guess there will be NO debate!
Question: And since when do you people think that you should participate in a debate against a man's published work when you guys won't even read his book?? HAVE ANY OF YOU READ IT?
I didn't think so.

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JimSDA
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Message 11 of 603 (130875)
08-05-2004 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Eta_Carinae
08-05-2004 8:16 PM


A link to Moller?...
Eta wrote: "Also his name crops up on those lists of cranks whining about evolution..."
If you don't mind, list a link that goes to something that Lennart Moller has posted?

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JimSDA
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Message 18 of 603 (130970)
08-06-2004 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Nighttrain
08-06-2004 1:22 AM


Jesus' blood...
Jesus blood was shed to save you from sin, that's what happened with Jesus' blood -- as for what Ron says happened with it, you can read it on our websites.
But if you're a confirmed atheist evolutionist, you won't believe it.

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JimSDA
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Message 19 of 603 (130972)
08-06-2004 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by PaulK
08-06-2004 3:36 AM


Re: Charles Knight's challenge...
PaulK, so get Moller's book and read it, or don't! How else are you going to know whether Moller did it right or did it wrong? And as I said before, Moller is a professional scientist -- and none of us who are trying to share his material with you guys on this forum are professional scientists --
So if you crave a discussion of the Exodus discovery in its purist "scientific" form, THEN GO GET IN TOUCH WITH LENNART MOLLER!

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JimSDA
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Message 20 of 603 (130973)
08-06-2004 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by NosyNed
08-06-2004 1:27 AM


Re: Emperical evidence?...
NosyNed wrote: "Buz, if there is emperical evidence tell me where in the world I need to go to see it? To look up close at it."
You go to Ron's museum in Cornersville, TN -- or you take up scuba diving lessons and make a trip to the Gulf of Aqaba!
Or if you want to visit Lennart Moller, buy a plane ticket to Sweden!
THAT'S how you can go see the evidence "close up" for yourself!

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JimSDA
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Message 23 of 603 (130976)
08-06-2004 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by PaulK
08-06-2004 10:52 AM


Re: Charles Knight's challenge...
Paulk wrote: "Given these facts I'm not about to waste money on Moller's book.""
Then maybe you ought to stop posting comments about an author's published work when you refuse to even read it!

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JimSDA
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Message 25 of 603 (130980)
08-06-2004 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by jar
08-06-2004 10:53 AM


Moller's video...
jar (hey, if you learned to stutter, we could call you "jar jar") writes: "Having seen the video, I can say that there is not one single item, one single claim, that showed either any connection to the Biblical account of Exodus or even anything remarkable..."
OK, let's get this straight -- you saw the video, a video whose entire content dealt with discussing the biblical route of the Exodus, and YOU say that it did not show "any connection the the biblical account of the Exodus"????
It showed ZERO material dealing with the Exodus??
Absolutely NOTHING was on the video that realated to the biblical account of the Exodus??
The entire Exodus video by Moller discussed ONLY things that had nothing to do with the Exodus??
Nothing, absolutely NOTHING??????????
Guys, it's time to call the guys in the white jackets to come and pick up your friend jar here, because he has absolutely flipped out and is completely out of touch with reality!
Will one of you guys call him a doctor, he needs it QUICK!
See, I watched Moller's Exodus video and I happen to know that the whole video deals directly with the search for the Exodus route -- yep, I've seen the video with my own two eyes -- and ol' jar-jar here must have "blinked" when he was watching it, because if he goes and says such STUPID things like he did in his post, there's REALLY SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIM!
And he's dumber than his Star Wars namesake!

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JimSDA
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Message 26 of 603 (130982)
08-06-2004 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by PaulK
08-06-2004 11:06 AM


Re: Charles Knight's challenge...
PaulK writes: "If you post anything here it is up for discussion.>>
Fine -- we will post from a position of KNOWLEDGE, and YOU can keep posting from a position of IGNORANCE!
Because if you refuse to read Moller's book, you are IGNORANT of what Moller put in it -- and when we post some of it here, you know we haven't posted "everything"! THE BOOK IS 320-PAGES LONG with 500+ PICS IN IT!!! So you haven't even seen 98% of his book!
OK, be ignorant, stay ignorant --
But just so you know, we are going to call you "ignorant," my friend! And on a forum that supposedly respects intelligence, I don't think your ignorance is going to go very far. Not if the people here are smart enough to see what's going on!
Read the book = being informed!
Not reading the book = IGNORANT!

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JimSDA
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Message 29 of 603 (130988)
08-06-2004 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by NosyNed
08-06-2004 11:22 AM


Museum phone number...
NosyNed, here is the phone number of Ron's museum in Cornersville, TN: 931-293-4745 -- feel free to call and ask about which samples they have on display. Hours are 9am to 5pm CST, Sunday-Friday.
As far as GPS readings, all you have to do is go to the southern area of the Nuweiba beach, it's very obvious that's where the underwater path begins.

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JimSDA
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Message 32 of 603 (130995)
08-06-2004 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by jar
08-06-2004 11:22 AM


Re: Moller's video...
jar jar, you already wrote: "Having seen the video, I can say that there is not one single item, one single claim, that showed either any connection to the Biblical account of Exodus or even anything remarkable," so why in the world would I waste my time talking with you about the things you've already seen on the video and rejected??
You pretend you're willing to listen, but you're really not.
Never before in human history has mankind ever even found a possible crossing site to investigate -- and we find an underwater landbridge and coral covered shapes resembling chariot wheels!
We find a Mt. Sinai in Saudi Arabia where the entire top is burned black, and ALL the items mentioned in the biblical account are around that mountain. But you say "there's not one single item" there.
When the Saudi archaeologists saw the Egyptian style petroglyphs on the altar stones, they told us that they have NEVER seen Egyptian style petroglyphs anywhere in their country before! Hmmmmmm ... that must mean that people who came from Egypt actually ended up in Saudi Arabia ... just like it says in the Bible!
Yet you saw "nothing" in the video as evidence of ANY connection to the biblical story!
Good going, jar jar.
When you watched the video, were your giant floppy ears in the way?

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JimSDA
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Message 33 of 603 (130997)
08-06-2004 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by NosyNed
08-06-2004 11:30 AM


Re: Moller's video...
NosyNed says, "It isn't enough to claim a connection" -- oh yes it is, especially when it ALL fits into the biblical narative!
We compare it to the written account, we match the discriptions of the route, we ID the items mentioned -- and you say there's "no connection"!
We see a connection just fine, which is why Moller published his book and did his video -- because to us the connection is as plain as the nose on your NosyNed face!

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JimSDA
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Message 36 of 603 (131004)
08-06-2004 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by jar
08-06-2004 12:11 PM


Rock art book....
jar jar, don't just "tell" me about the Saudi rock art book, SHOW ME another example of the Egyptian style cows and bulls done somewhere else in Saudi Arabia!
Scan the page and SHOW me!

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JimSDA
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Message 37 of 603 (131005)
08-06-2004 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by jar
08-06-2004 12:11 PM


Rock art feet...
jar jar, the rock art book should have lots of petroglyphs of FEET drawn onto rocks -- right?
Do you know why they did feet?

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JimSDA
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Message 39 of 603 (131008)
08-06-2004 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Brian
08-06-2004 11:53 AM


"Out" of Egypt...
Brian, I appreciate your calm and intelligent post -- but let me share with you the reason why the crossing site cannot be in the Gulf of Suez area.
Exodus 13:18 says,"God led the people about, through the way of the wilderness of the Red Sea, and the children of Israel went up harnessed OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT" -- and then they continued their journey to Etham (verse 20) -- then in Ex 14:2 they encamped before Pihahiroth -- then they were finally trapped against the sea.
Notice the order of events: They left the land of Egypt, camped in the wilderness, then later arrived at the crossing site!
Egypt is on the Gulf of Suez -- there is no way that the Hebrews could have "left Egypt" before being trapped at the waters of the Gulf of Suez! THEY WOULD STILL BE IN EGYPT!
So the only logical route is a route that crosses the entire Sinai Penninsula and goes over to the Gulf of Aqaba!
That's if you wish to go by what the Bible says.

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