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crashfrog
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Message 309 of 603 (132063)
08-09-2004 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 308 by Lysimachus
08-09-2004 7:03 PM


Also bear in mind that evidence is interpreted in many ways by different individuals.
This simply isn't true.
Moreover, the only people I ever hear say this are the people who don't have any evidence; i.e. the creationists/Biblical literalists.
One piece of evidence is like a point (you know, the geometric construct that has no dimension, only location.) Through one point, an infinite number of lines can be drawn. This is congruent with the statement "evidence can be interpreted in different ways", and it's true that given one piece of evidence, any number of explanations for it can be devised.
But given two points, there's only one possible straight line that can be drawn between them; between multiple elements of evidence, there's really only one best explanation. Which is the best explanation? That's determined by the rules of informal logic and argumentation; like Occam's Razor (the rule of parsimony.) Those rules take lines and make them "straighter" - they make arguments "pass through" the least number of points, or posit the least amount of unverifiable consequences.
It's simply bogus to say that "evidence can be interpreted in different ways"; not all interpretations are as valid as others. Defending one's interpretation is the function of rhetoric and logic; it is insufficient to simply say "I have my interpretation and you have yours." Interpretations must be defended.

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crashfrog
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Message 325 of 603 (132113)
08-09-2004 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by mike the wiz
08-09-2004 7:22 PM


So if my watch is stuck on 2pm, from when the bomb exploded, and my clock is also stuck on 2pm, and my alarm clock aswell. All the evidence suggest it was 2pm right?
Yes, that's called a "convergence", or a "wieght of evidence."
The simplest explanation for all the clocks in your house being stuck at exactly the same time is that something happened at that time to make them stop, or else they were all set to 2 pm and stopped, possibly at different times.
Finding the cause, though, would take more evidence. A bunch of stopped clocks is not enough to infer a bomb went off. (You'd have to find a crater, etc.)

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crashfrog
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Message 335 of 603 (132129)
08-09-2004 8:56 PM
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08-09-2004 8:54 PM


My point was - all the evidence suggests it took place at 2pm, but it happened at 3pm.
Right. Sometimes additional evidence causes us to change our conclusions. (New points require a different line to connect them with the old points.)
That's why, in science, no conclusion is ever definitive; all conclusions are tentative. New information could always lead us to change our mind.
I'm not sure you meant to or not, but I couldn't have illustrated tentativity better than you did just now.

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crashfrog
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Message 463 of 603 (133205)
08-12-2004 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 460 by Hydarnes
08-12-2004 12:12 PM


Here we're clearly talking about one calf on top of the altar, and yet we have this verse plainly stating that there are more than one "god", yet in the verse it says that he used a "graving tool", but you don't engrave a molten calf, you mold it, therefore we can deduce what the verse is referring to.
Wouldn't you engrave a metal statue for surface detail and ornamentation? You can't mold fine surface detail in a cast.
Seems to me like the Genesis writer is still talking about the calf.

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