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peter borger Member (Idle past 7665 days) Posts: 965 From: australia Joined: |
Dear Edge,
quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by peter borger: I don't know. I wasn't there. Best wishes, Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edge: LOL! I guess you don't believe in the concept of evidence and its usefulness. My guess is that there is a boatload of defense attorneys who want your number, Peter! PB: My guess is that there are a boatload of innocent people in the deathrow based on socalled 'evidence'. Best wishes,Peter
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5195 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
But that would be a guess....
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Peter Member (Idle past 1479 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Well you failed.
The question to most readers conveyed the question:: 'Were man and dinosuars alive at the same time?' Prooving, rather, that information is context specificand created within the receiver rather than encoded by the sender.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1479 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Then you have nothing useful to add to this topic,
which tends to make me feel you WERE just being obtuse.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1479 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Based upon reported observations I would have to say that
man and dinosaurs did not share the same habitats. In the fossil record there are no human artifacts or remainsin the same levels as dinosaur remains. There are no dinosaurs depicted in cave paintings attributed toearly humans. No dinosaur bones were used in early human weaponry oradornments. Given the size and nature of some dino. teeth one would expect that they might be used as spear tips. No such objects have been found in early human settlements. There may have been some straggling dino. relatives which lead todragon legends, but this might equally have stemmed from large modern reptiles that are now extinct due to human hunting. Since it seems unlikely that man and dinos. shared any habitatsone must ask are dino remains found in areas deep below those where early human remains are found? I believe that the answer to this question is yes (but please feel free to show otherwise). If dino. remains and early human remains are found in differentlayers of the same general locations, then it seems certain that they did not co-exist.
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iconoclast2440 Inactive Member |
here is another stance i do not understand: the assumption that mythology of Gods or Titans are based on some form of reality that was observable.
Take for instance the eight headed dragon Orochi. Is there an animal observable in nature that fits its discription in ANYWAY? Hell no. Assuming Orochi was some how based on large lizards native to Japan seems ludicrous to me.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1479 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Not gods or titans or hydra etc., but dragon legends
are more or less global, and the descriptions are fairly consistent with some type of large lizard (maybe they be just big crocs or something). I mentioned it here only to cover the issue since it bearsrelevence to the question of dino & human co-existance.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Chinese dragons strike me as being more based upon wisps of smoke. If you consider the prominence of incense in the culture it starts to make sense. Such a characterization also meshes pretty well with the themes of eastern religion, such as the Tao and with ideas such as chi. ------------------
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Chavalon Inactive Member |
Freshwater crocs/alligators (?) which hibernate in partially frozen pools are known as ice dragons in China.
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John Inactive Member |
Interesting. That's good to know.
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MRC_Hans Inactive Member |
We have to be a little careful about dragon legends: Most modern depictions of dragons are rather dinosaur-like, but these are post-rationalizations in an age where we know about dinosaurs. Traditonal dragon pictures are much more serpent like. They could, however, be inspired by findings of dinosaur skeletons. Such findings have of course happened all through the ages.
About coexistence of humans and dinosaurs: The basic question is really if you believe in Genesis or Science. From a scientific POV, the idea is absurd. We are not talking about little imprecisions in dating methods here, we are talking about 60 million years. Hans
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Peter Member (Idle past 1479 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
The chinese aren't the only culture with dragon legends
however ... St. George springs to mind as a medieval example ... maybe totally made up .. may be based on some real event ... unknowable ... but like I say, only brought up to cover all the bases.
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Madelaine Inactive Member |
Despite what most people have said, there is fossil evidence of men and dinosaurs co-existing. I've seen fossils (like actually SEEN, not just in pictures) of a dino- foot print and a human foot print. This evidence should work for the the strickly science type of people. As far as the whole dragon thing goes, it is a -type- of evidence because how likely is it that during a time with limited international communication, 2 people from vastly different places could describe nearly the same thing? It only makes sense that men and dinosaurs co-existed.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Where is this evidence? And are you knowledgeable enough to know what you were looking at? ------------------
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Hi Madelaine,
The man/dinosaur footprint claim is an old and extremely doubtful one - you're probably thinking of the Paluxy River prints in Glen Rose, Texas, which even the Creation Research Society and the Institute for Creation Research now disavow. Rather than rehashing this issue, perhaps you could look into this a little more (there's plenty of material on the Internet) and explain why it's deserving of further attention at this time. --------------------EvC Forum Administrator
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