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Author Topic:   Aliens and the Bible
New Cat's Eye
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Message 42 of 147 (420121)
09-06-2007 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by jar
09-06-2007 9:10 AM


Re: on aliens in the Bible
This is one of those instances where you can make something up and then insert into the Bible.
If god didn't exist and aliens have been to earth before, this passage could be describing a spaceship that the viewer *thought* was god, dontcha think? I mean, its not impossible.
I realize that from simply reading the Bible, this scenario is not implied. But if you are the type who likes to make stuff up and insert it into the Bible, then this passage could be describing a spaceship.
I know that you're opposed to that type of Bible *study*, but it looks like you just hand-waving instead of addressing the situation.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 43 of 147 (420122)
09-06-2007 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Rob
09-06-2007 10:16 AM


He then mysteriously ascended into heaven in a fashion that is possibly similar to a Star Trek transporter (not technologically so to speak, but quite naturally).
How can you tell the difference? If the technology was advanced enough, you wouldn't be able too. Considering that, then all of Jesus' miracles could have been faked if he was an alien with significantly advanced technology.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 46 of 147 (420126)
09-06-2007 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by jar
09-06-2007 10:31 AM


Re: on aliens in the Bible
What situation? The situation of "Theology by making shit up?"
Yes, the made-up situation. Simply saying that the situations simply are not described doesn't address the possibility of those situations being legitimate.
The Bible could be not literally true and instead be a puzzle that needs to be figured out through interpretation. In that sense, there could be passages that need the theology to be "made-up", so to speak, in order to find their true meaning. I mean, the theology is not at face value, there is a deeper meaning hidden in the text.
If you are the type of person who, in your words, "likes to make stuff up and insert it into the Bible", then yes, you can make up aliens and spaceships and insert it in the Bible.
Well, I am not personally but there seem to be quite a few of those types running around.
The examples so far, Psalm 18 and Ezekiel 1 simply don't describe aliens or spacecraft or weaponry or robots.
But they could be.
Just saying that they don't describe it doesn't address the possibility. It is just hand-waving.
The former is VERY clearly talking about God in Heaven
From the author's point of view, yes. But what if the author was mistaken and was desribing only what they thought was god, but in reality was a spaceship. Don't you think the description of a spaceship that was thought to be god could look somthing like the passage from Psalms?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 49 of 147 (420135)
09-06-2007 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by jar
09-06-2007 11:06 AM


Re: now we add spaceships.
Sorry but that is just silly.
That's the hand waving I'm talking about.
Why is it "just silly"? Its not impossible.
Look, folk can make up any fantasy they want.
Well, not really.
If someone said that that Psalm's passage could be describing a unicorn, then I would say no. But if they say that the passage could be describing a spaceship, then I'd say maybe.
It has to fit the passage at least some. It can't be any fantasy.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 51 of 147 (420139)
09-06-2007 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by jar
09-06-2007 11:57 AM


Re: now we add spaceships.
It's not impossible it was the frumious Bandersnatch either.
The Bandersnatch is a fictional character invented in the 19th century. Its pretty much impossible for that passage to be diescribing the Bandersnatch.
A spaceship has a higher probability of existing than the Bandersnatch so I'd say it is a slightly better interpretation.
But the Psalm says that it is talking about God and all the imagery is typical of the period and style.
I'd expect typical imagery and if you saw a spaceship in those times, you might think it was god too. If you wrote a passage about what you saw, it might look something like that Psalm.
So why make shit up?
Its fun.
But also, if someone knew that aliens existed and that they had been reported as god in the past, and this passage was a record of one such occurance, then they wouldn't be making up shit at all but uncovering the truth.
Making shit up could be an honest approch to uncovering hidden meanings in the Bible that are uncovered through interpretation.
There's other reasons too.
But for you to just go by your assumptions and hand-wave the interpretation as "just silly" really doesn't do anything at all.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 53 of 147 (420146)
09-06-2007 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by jar
09-06-2007 12:18 PM


Re: now we add spaceships.
The Bandersnatch was invented before spaceships.
As far as we know.
Or if I wrote a poem about God, as the author says he is, it mike look like that.
True. And there is nothing inside the passage to suggest that it wasn't god.
But we do not know that aliens or spaceships existed then and we have a whole herd of similar descriptive material in the same section. In addition, we have lots of evidence that similar imagery was used regularly at the time to describe very prosaic things, like women or palaces or wealth or powerful people.
I agree that the passage is descibing god and not a spaceship. I just don't like the hand-waving of an interpretation simply with the label of "silly". Its not an worthless or impossible interpretation. Plus, it has some entertaining implications.

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