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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
I am inclined to believe in the possibility of other intelligent life in the Universe. One train of thought on the subject is that life evolved here on Earth by chance. Why couldnt that same sequence of events happen elsewhere, maybe earlier, or without the setbacks that life had on Earth?
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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
Of course there is no evidence, we are just barely able to make short jaunts outside of our atmosphere. However, for the sake of discussion, there may be evidence, in what we are finding out about DNA.
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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
Psalm 18 vs. 7-19
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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
Here is being described, a flying vehicle that can make a lot of noise when it flies, shoots "hailstones",has flashes of light similar to muzzle flash, a "being" in a dark cockpit and picks him up and moves ou of harms way.
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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
And God is a "spiritual" being, from our perspective, here is described a "physical" manifestation. In vs. 13 and 14 weaponry is being used. Why would "God" have to use weapons?
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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
The Gospels speak of a human because at one time the Hebrews were asked if they wanted to be ruled by man or god; they responded "by man". Attempts were made to have a just ruler and king and all failed; including Solomon. That is the story behind the virgin birth. I have read the Bible, several versions and I research alot. Part of the unbelievability of the Bible is the limited language distinctions available when it was written. Look at the creation of Eve for instance, today we could say it appears she was cloned. I use Strong's Concordance to "reinterpret" Scripture in today's context. Similar to how Evolutionists have "reinterpreted" ToE into Punctuated Equilibria (PE). PE is indicative of Intelligent Design.
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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
In Psalm 18: 10 the word interpreted as cherub can also mean an imaginary figure. Which means existing in the mind only, not in reality. Implying there was no way to describe it and bring it into reality. When the Scriptures were written, the only things known to fly or float in the sky were birds and clouds. Today's language is full of distinctions of things that fly or float in the air: propeller planes, kites, balloons from helium to hot air, jets, rockets and even UFO's. There was nothing to compare it to; then again, maybe the word cherub should be defined as UFO.
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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
When you have a beef with a corporation, you dont get to talk to the president or ceo. Instead you, if you are lucky, get to talk to someone else. The Bible is full of encounters with "men-like beings". With Lot they forcibly led him out of the city. Jacob wrestled through the night with one. Another helped Peter get out of jail. When Jesus was baptized, a "cloud" carried him to the wilderness.
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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
Catholic Scientist said,"How can you tell the difference? If the technology was advanced enough, you wouldn't be able too. Considering that, then all of Jesus' miracles could have been faked if he was an alien with significant technology." A miracle is an event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin. Before the advent of cloning, replicating another life would have been considered a miracle. Now through advanced technology it is no longer a miracle. The big message of the Bible is one of an experiment gone wrong through anothers' personal agenda and the attempts to make it right. It doesnt invalidate Jesus; his message is that there is a better way.
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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
Jar said, "But the Psalm says that it is talking about God and all the imagery is typical of the period and style. So why make shit up?" The Psalm doesnt name 'God'; it names 'Lord'. Lord as defined in the 1913 Websters' Unabridged Dictionary is: 1. One who has power and authority; a master; a ruler; a governor; a prince; a proprietor, as of a manor. The reference is to one who has power over another. I am not making stuff up! Just like cloning, talking to another with a cell phone, flying and using antibiotics to cure disease would have been considered supernatural or a miracle a thousand years ago; they are common place now. Nothing made up about that. The difference is the new words, "distinctions", that were created out of the industrial and technological revolutions. Most Bibles were translated and interpreted over 200 years ago when language and life was simpler and many of the words used today were not needed to explain life. When you look at the Hebrew Scriptures using todays wod bank, a whole different message emerges.
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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
Highestevolved whiteguy said' "What part of the bible are you referencing?" Answer: 1Samuel 8 In my reply to jar I explained how todays technology, if viewed from a time 1,000 years ago or more would have been considered miracles or of supernatural origin. Cloning is appropriate in that you want evidence of possible alien intervention in the Bible; and science has shown that cloning is not supernatural, but a scientific fact. It is believed that the Bible was written about 6,000 yrs ago for the OT and about 2,000 yrs ago for the NT. Look how much technology has advanced in just that relatively short time. The supernatural is being explained and miracles are done every day through medicine and technology. The reason, I believe, the Bible is not believed or understood by many today, is that the language used when it was translated and interpreted was not as advanced as it is today and those things assigned supernatural origin can be explained by todays lanaguage
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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
The Bible was written with the available words, "distinctions" available at the time. Aliens were not an every day word back then. It wasnt even spoken with any credibility until the Roswell incident. Even now its credibility is questioned. It doesnt invalidate the Bible messsage, it may enhance it. Just like PE is trying to enhance the idea of evolution. I would say the interpretation with modern language distinctions would be closer to the true meaning than and older one; "for todays believers". It doesnt invalidate the other translations because they were correct for the language of the time
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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
I deleted this post because it was a duplicate of message 75. I didnt realize it was already submitted once.
Edited by ElOne, : A duplicate of message 75, sorry about that.
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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
Vacate said, "But then in a sense aren't you saying that the true message of the bible changes along with the evolution of language?" That is exactly what I am saying. Part of Daniel's Prophesy was to be put aside for another time not yet here, because it would not be understood then. The implication is that events have not taken place yet that would make the prophecy understandable. The Bible also says all will be understood before the end. Nothing is incorrect. It's meaning is better understood. "How much of the bible is open for UFO minded interpretation?" Reread Exodus with UFO's in mind. A great cloud hovering over the Hebrews giving shade in the daytime and light by night. After the Hebrews built the Tabernacle, the cloud would sit over it and stay there until it was time to move on; then it would raise up and lead them. When Jesus was baptized, a cloud picked him up and carried him off to the wilderness. In Matt 17 Jesus took Peter, James and John to a high mount and spoke to his ancestors while a "bright" cloud stood overhead that even spoke to Peter. Like I said, reading the Bible with today's understand brings a whole new meaning to the Scriptures. It doesnt invalidate the older translations; it brings new clarity and understanding to them.
No it doesnt invalidate the writer's interpretation because at the time it "was" valid. Those earlier interpretations did what they were suppose to do, keep Faith alive, just as the newer interpretation will do the same; until the "final" interpretation is fully understood.
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ElOne Junior Member (Idle past 6065 days) Posts: 23 Joined: |
Jar said, "Uh, no. Using todays word bank you can make up whole new stores from the material." I dont make it up; I use a version of the Bible that uses Strong's Concordance and research the definition of the "interpretation". Medicine had a symptom and diagnosis called "consumption". It was an unexplainable wasting away that eventually led to death. As science progressed the diagnosis was relegated to a "symptom" only and newer "distinctions" were used for the diagnosis; ie, cancer and tuberculosis. It doesnt invalidate the symptom of consumption; now that it is better understood it created new words to use for a better and more accurate diagnosis
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