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Author Topic:   There is no such thing as The Bible
Brian
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Message 226 of 305 (246709)
09-27-2005 11:36 AM
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09-27-2005 8:59 AM


Re: The Bible: It's a powerful organization of redemptive words
It is an irrefutable fact that Jesus was not the messiah
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ramoss
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Message 227 of 305 (246730)
09-27-2005 12:30 PM
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09-25-2005 7:14 PM


Re: The Light comes
And how come no one noticed?

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Phat
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Message 228 of 305 (246734)
09-27-2005 12:35 PM
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09-27-2005 11:36 AM


Re: The Bible: It's a powerful organization of redemptive words
He IS a "Wiz" though. Invite Him over and He will turn all of your water into wine for you!

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Message 229 of 305 (246746)
09-27-2005 2:28 PM
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Re: The Bible: It's a powerful organization of redemptive words
Ha.I can do him one better. I can turn Wine into urine.

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Philip
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Message 230 of 305 (246802)
09-27-2005 7:44 PM
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09-27-2005 8:47 AM


Re: No New Testament, No Redemption, and No Resurrection Power
Sadducee eh?

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Philip
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Message 231 of 305 (246804)
09-27-2005 7:46 PM
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09-27-2005 9:08 AM


Re: The Bible: It's a powerful organization of redemptive words
(See my comment to Brian)

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Phat
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Message 232 of 305 (246809)
09-27-2005 7:54 PM
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09-27-2005 2:28 PM


Re: The Bible: It's a powerful organization of redemptive words
Ha.I can do him one better.
Any biological wannabegod can do THAT!
Seriously though, lets get back on topic.
Brian writes:
What is the Bible anyway?
and then later,
it appears that it has been tampered with more than any other collection of books in the history of the world.
I have heard that the tampering boils down to what can or should be considered Canon? Spiritual impartation or political manipulation?
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Brian
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Message 233 of 305 (246967)
09-28-2005 1:10 PM
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09-27-2005 7:44 PM


Re: No New Testament, No Redemption, and No Resurrection Power
Sadducee eh?
Free thinker.
You should try it.
Brian.

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ramoss
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Message 234 of 305 (246982)
09-28-2005 2:25 PM
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09-27-2005 7:54 PM


Re: The Bible: It's a powerful organization of redemptive words
No, there are other parts of tampering. For example, things were added later, items were mistranslated to promote different theologies.

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Phat
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Message 235 of 305 (247173)
09-29-2005 3:29 AM
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09-28-2005 2:25 PM


Re: The Bible: It's a powerful organization of redemptive words
ramoss writes:
No, there are other parts of tampering. For example, things were added later, items were mistranslated to promote different theologies.
1) How would we know what was added if we did not know what was supposed to be there? In other words, who or what is the arbitrator?
2)Of course there are different theologies...we all have a relative interpretation of theology in general, yet there is some uniformity
within each labled theology.
My question is this: If a Canon can be considered to be "official", who decides and by whose authority do they decide?

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Message 236 of 305 (247230)
09-29-2005 9:32 AM
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09-29-2005 3:29 AM


Re: The Bible: It's a powerful organization of redemptive words
We know that things have been tampered with because of 1) the style and vocabulary were different, 2) the message was different, and 3) when an older copies of the text were found, it was different.
In addition, matthew was using the greek, which has some ambiguious terms in greek that were not ambigious at all in hebrew. For example,
Matthew interpreted the word "PARTHENOS" to be virgin. The word that it was translated from 'ALMAH' does not neccesarily mean virgin, but rather means YOUNG WOMAN. Parthenos does not always mean virgin in greek either, since that is the term that was to describe Dianah after she was raped in Genesis.
Then there were such purposeful mistranslations as 'LIKE A LION' being translated as 'PIERCED' in Pslam 22. This is odd, since the term was properly translated just before and just after the mistranslation.

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Phat
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Message 237 of 305 (247387)
09-29-2005 6:33 PM
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09-29-2005 9:32 AM


Re: The Bible: It's a powerful organization of redemptive words
ramoss writes:
We know that things have been tampered with because of 1) the style and vocabulary were different, 2) the message was different, and 3) when an older copies of the text were found, it was different.
Yes...that is why the councils rejected the Gnostic Gospels, Thomas, etc...because it had a different message...like Brian said that Jesus was cruel to someone, but it was one of those spurrious documents. Otherwise, re-examining the Canon would lead to an all inclusive spirituality quite unlike the Christian absoluteness...although I believe that the Church has misused its power many times...and continues to do so, I also think that the Canon and the message of Orthodocx christianity is quite set.

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ramoss
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Message 238 of 305 (247443)
09-29-2005 8:47 PM
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09-29-2005 6:33 PM


Re: The Bible: It's a powerful organization of redemptive words
THat is why the council chose the ones they did. It fit their political asperations , and a kinder attitude towards Rome. It also fit their previous concepts about god more from before they were Christians.
Very unjewish.

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arachnophilia
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Message 239 of 305 (247544)
09-30-2005 5:29 AM
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09-29-2005 8:47 PM


Re: The Bible: It's a powerful organization of redemptive words
a kinder attitude towards Rome
clearly it's rigged. 2000 year old spin.
i mean, jesus was crucified. executed by romans, as a state prisoner of rome, in an area occupied by rome. rome, rome, rome. jesus was jewish.
so how does the story get pinned on jews, and the romans get off scott free? we get elements like pilate washing his hands -- don't blame rome! blame the crowd of raving murderous jews!
doesn't add up, especially if jesus is walking around gathering crowds of thousands to make speeches. how did they suddenly turn on him, and why?

אָרַח

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Message 240 of 305 (247696)
09-30-2005 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by PaulK
09-25-2005 5:08 AM


Re: Once again on Canon
Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree.
So...what sources do you consider reliable??

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