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Author Topic:   Isaiah and the Dead Sea Scrolls
Asgara
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Message 108 of 204 (199458)
04-14-2005 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Faith
04-14-2005 8:00 PM


DSS Isaiah and Modern Inerrancy
Excuse me Faith, but did you say that the DSS are not the basis for modern texts?
If so, than how can the DSS Isaiah have anything to do with supporting an inerrant modern text?

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Asgara
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Message 111 of 204 (199463)
04-14-2005 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Faith
04-14-2005 8:41 PM


Re: DSS Isaiah and reliable transmission
I understand that, and I think that your opponents do also.
So, tell me which of these "many other lines of text" was the basis for modern translations? How many variations on the text were there?
What leads you to believe that it was unchanged from the original autographs? How would you know?
Now, before I say this, let me make sure you understand that I am NOT saying you have argued this. Many Xians have argued an almost anal- retentive obsessiveness by early copiests. That any tiny mistake or copy error meant that the copy was destroyed.

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Asgara
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Message 114 of 204 (199471)
04-14-2005 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
04-14-2005 9:04 PM


Re: DSS Isaiah and reliable transmission
That their Isaiah and your Isaiah were from the same tradition? How many traditions/variations were there throughout the Diaspora?
If one "virtually" unchanged text makes your point obvious, does one changed text negate it and why or why not?
Your argument only speaks towards the transmission of one variation of one book, and you are not even saying that it is a correct variation.
From your next post:
There WAS a strict obsessiveness among many of the Jewish copyists. They were known for that nearly superstitious carefulness about scripture. But that point is peripheral to my point.
As long as you are not arguing "all" Jewish copyists, as your use of the word "virtually" in regards to Isaiah negates that.

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Asgara
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Message 117 of 204 (199489)
04-14-2005 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Faith
04-14-2005 9:32 PM


Re: DSS Isaiah and reliable transmission
I did not say I was quoting you. Various copies with possible changes would be variations, no?
I understand you were discussing "copies" of the scrolls. What leads you to believe that these copies were possibly identical (yes, I understand you said "intended to be...", I am assuming that means you believe they were virtually identical, in meaning at least)?
I'm not doubting you, but I am not an expert in this subject and...well...I need evidence. Could you give me reference on the "thousands of extant ancient manuscripts" and their proposed dates? Is there anything earlier than the 4th century CE?
Please understand that I am NOT trying to argue with you, I'm am just looking for information and to clarify what you have been saying.
My night is over now, so I will say goodnight for now. Thank you for discussing this with me.

Asgara
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Asgara
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From: Wisconsin, USA
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Message 118 of 204 (199490)
04-14-2005 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Faith
04-14-2005 10:06 PM


Re: DSS Isaiah and reliable transmission
Sorry, I didn't see this before I hit submit on the prior msg.
If this is all you are claiming, that the DSS Isaiah is virtually the same as yours than we have nothing more to discuss. I am not questioning this. I just don't see what it has to do with anything other than Isaiah.
Again, goodnight.

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