Flaws in the Scriptures

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There are ample stories of a man called Noah who took the animals and his family in a boat all over the world. I don't think it was missed by the entire world.

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It was missed by the Sumerians (continuous occupation and written records), Egyptians (continuous occupation and written records), the Indus river civilization (continuous occupancy until 1500 BC when driven out by Aryan invaders, and a written language (yet to be deciphered)), and the Chinese (continuous occupation and written records). I've probably missed several major examples. It is *not* confirmed outside of the Torah.Flood myths from around the world, such as in your link?Did you not notice how utterly different and flatly contradictory they are? Generally they're set in different time periods, too. Some have multiple floods, many have the only people in the world saved being saved in their own particular region, their own deities are typically involved, etc. Unless you think that the flood was caused by Quilla, the moon, having sex with her bird sister and bearing star-children who cried into a flood that swept people east to the sea (where the sun was then born), or Makunaima and his four brothers cutting down the tree that produced all of Earth's crops and unclogging a basket that they placed to stop the water (with people surviving by climbing tall palm trees), they're utterly different.Floods happen in people's homelands, all over the world. They think their homeland and the regions just outside it are the entire world. They write about a flood that covers the entire earth. End of story. It's just the same as with all of the "all of the kingdoms of the earth" references.------------------
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Hi, What were these? How can an author borrow a text that hasn't been written yet. The Hebrew bible's flood narratives are not the oldest flood narratives. The bible flood myths cannot be copied by people who wrote long before anything in the bible was dreamed up. I am not saying that any of them are accurate, they are all myths, they are written for a specific purpose and not to be taken as literal. A retelling of something older doesn't mean that I believe any of them. None to my knowledge, care to expand a little? Make more statues of the Virgin Mary, sell water from Lourdes, put the Turin Shroud on exhibition, put a fake ossuary on exhibition? January 1987 I believe: WHat does Homer have to do with the Flood. Why not post something more relevant to the thread?Here's one, what is the oldest extant flood text and what is the oldest surviving text relating to Noah?Brian.[This message has been edited by Brian, 11-25-2003]

I was considering the matters at hand and thinking about a response. I just let it slide a little to long. It seems to me now that things are progressing fine without me, as the dicussion has gone on without my imput. So I would rather stay out to avoid fragmenting the debate any further than it will most likely ultimately be anyway. If my absence still really bothers anybody let me know.Russ[edited to insert quote][This message has been edited by apostolos, 11-25-2003]

I've actually lost my post twice now due to erroneous login. Im also on my way to a long holiday until next year, so .... here goes. Back to that site. Ctrl-F Search 'Noah', keep pressing Find next with your mouse. " I believe were a russian story and an Eskimo story. 1. Text need not be written yet, Oral tradition of Jews remember, text could have been based on these.
2. Author needn't write about it, someone copying author's work however could edit original work.Find out the oldest written text documenting Gilgamesh's Epic and while you're at it, all those other Myths of Homer. Was referring to textual accuracy. The same accuracy all the books of the Bible are subjected to. Are they the original copies, have they been edited ? You're a religion in 1st century Rome that is losing membership to the rising faith, Christianity that does not condone the purchase of idols. Your congragation in deminishing and idol sales are dwindling because of this religion. How do you regain your following ? You change your myths and beliefs to those that mimic a successfull one. What is the oldest existing copy of the Illiad ?Anywya, have a great holiday and a great Christmass and yeah, a great New Years. This goes to you all.Chat again in the new year.Z[This message has been edited by Zealot, 11-26-2003]

I am enjoying this discussion.I hope I have been able to respond to everyone. If I have not then please say so.My challenge still goes out to those who doubt the Bible's accuracy and inerrency. Find a flaw and challenge me about it.Apostle

I don't think you ever adressed mine Apostolos.

Well I'm still waiting for you to provide actual evidence to back up all the assertions you made in reply to mine.As it stands you have to rely on assuming unlikely events without a shred of direct evidence that any of them happened. And that means that the discrepency stands.

I already did that, I gave you 3 examples of errors found in the Bible. You agreed that they were in fact errors. They prove to us that the Bible you and I hold in our hands today is not the error free word of God.

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You're a religion in 1st century Rome that is losing membership to the rising faith, Christianity that does not condone the purchase of idols. Your congragation in deminishing and idol sales are dwindling because of this religion. How do you regain your following ? You change your myths and beliefs to those that mimic a successfull one.

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Actually, what you do is simply point out that their myths are obvious rip-offs of your own (and those of various other religions, already thousands of years old). Sadly, you do so unsuccessfully, because after a couple hundred years the new cult becomes the officially sanctioned "true faith" while yours is persecuted. The emperor does this not because he has found Jesus but because Christianity, as a composite belief system incorporating elements of so many others, is the ideal one under which to forcefully consolidate believers.Do your homework, man. These things are really not difficult to learn.

YaroMy apologies. It could be that I did not adress them. Let me give you one possible reason why. My name here is 'Apostle,' yet you ask question to a character named 'Apostolos.' There is a character here by that name, and I assumed you were talking to him. Shall I assume you were talking to me? If yes please repeat your problems.Apostle

The Revenge Of ReasonSure you gave me three examples. As I stated they were copyist errors. This does nothing to claim that the Scriptures were uninspired and inerrent. All it shows is that some of the scribes were careless in their copying. Thankfully we can cross reference and see where these copying errors are. The original texts did not have these errors and so the claim stands.Apostle

Okay Paul,Point by point tell me where you disagree with my response. Then we will take it from there? (I know you have already...Do it again).Apostle

Yes, I was talking to you.My question was on this page, in post 4.http://EvC Forum: Flaws in the Scriptures -->EvC Forum: Flaws in the ScripturesThanx.EDIT: fixed post number. Thanx admin! It is that page, post number 4.[This message has been edited by Yaro, 12-06-2003]

Wrong link Yaro. That just gets you to page 1 of this same topic.AM

Message 79 on page 6http://EvC Forum: Flaws in the Scriptures -->EvC Forum: Flaws in the ScripturesWhat I would like you to do is to produce the evidence you claim exists. Because all my reaseach says otherwiseI would also like some argument to explain why it would be "likely" for Augustus to take the unprecedented step of ordering a census of Judaea simply because of his disagreements with Herod. My own assessment is that it is still very unlikely - it is certainly not an obvious response and there is no historical evidence that such a move was even considered.Finally I would point out that you clearly hadn't researched the issue properly - or you would know that it is simply not possible that Quirinius was Governor of Syria from 12 BC to 2 BC.