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Author Topic:   The Existence of Jesus Christ
Brad
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From: Portland OR, USA
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Message 4 of 378 (211962)
05-27-2005 6:32 PM


Did jesus exist?
Well, there is obviously lots of debate. Two scholars who have studied the Gospels and that time period have written a book called "Was the original Jesus a pagan God?" This book discusses the possibilty of NO historical Jesus. I'm not going to defend the validity of the arguments, just pointing out that there IS debate.
Brad

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Brad
Member (Idle past 4809 days)
Posts: 143
From: Portland OR, USA
Joined: 01-26-2004


Message 94 of 378 (213603)
06-02-2005 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by CodeTrainer
06-02-2005 5:03 PM


Re: Jesus was real
That is exactly the point. The apostles and the Christians contemporary with the times believed in the resurrection of Jesus Christ so strongly that they happily went to their martyrdom. These were people who knew for a fact with their own eyes.
Um...are you saying that people don't blow themselves up, and heaven's gate cult didn't kill themselves? Let me rephrase what you're saying, and you correct me so I can understand.
"Although Heaven's Gate and suicide bombers kill themselves for their belief, nobody dies for what they know is a myth."
Is that what you're saying? If that's the case do we measure the most correct religion by the number of people who have died for it?
Brad

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Brad
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Posts: 143
From: Portland OR, USA
Joined: 01-26-2004


Message 98 of 378 (213633)
06-02-2005 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by CodeTrainer
06-02-2005 5:54 PM


Re: Jesus was real
C'mon, now you're just being silly! You're trying to tell me that the apostles deaths prove their faith legitimate, but when someone else dies for what they believe in this proves it false? Do you not see the contradiction?!?
Brad

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Brad
Member (Idle past 4809 days)
Posts: 143
From: Portland OR, USA
Joined: 01-26-2004


Message 100 of 378 (213671)
06-02-2005 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Nighttrain
06-02-2005 8:42 PM


Well, the very first paintings of Jesus show him beardless and very dark skinned. He performs his miracles with a 'magic wand' or staff. A picture of jesus raising Lazarus from the dead shows Jesus waving his small staff over Lazarus' tomb. Sorry I can't be more descriptive, but all the pictures of him seem to resemble other "God-men," strange.
Brad

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Brad
Member (Idle past 4809 days)
Posts: 143
From: Portland OR, USA
Joined: 01-26-2004


Message 107 of 378 (213692)
06-02-2005 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by randman
06-02-2005 10:13 PM


Re: Jesus was real
Careful with this logic. With your reasoning we can just as easily say that the heaven's gate people didn't meet their God, nor did they have any rational explination for their belief, yet they died for it. Isn't this proof that the apostles didn't need proof to die for their belief either?
Brad

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