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Modulous
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Message 16 of 120 (291412)
03-02-2006 9:05 AM
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03-02-2006 8:58 AM


allegory/literal
Because of the meanings of the words, it is obvious that the story of Genesis was not literal, but was an allegory.

I thought the point of the thread was to try and discuss it from a genesis is literal not allegory point of view. It's easy to explain as allegory.


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Message 17 of 120 (291591)
03-02-2006 7:51 PM
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Re: allegory/literal
This thread is purely for entertainment. All opinions expressed within shall be taken in context. IMHO ;)
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Message 18 of 120 (297903)
03-24-2006 6:31 PM
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Re: Egyptians, hermaphrodites, similar but not the same
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That is why in the Jewich concept.. god has both aspects of both male and female.
The Feminine aspect of God is called the Shekhina.

Then those politically correct modern Bibles which call God "Father-Mother" instead of simply "Father" may be correct?

I shudder to think what happens when you try to apply that concept of God to the Trinity.


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Message 20 of 120 (677549)
10-30-2012 3:03 PM
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03-01-2006 5:56 PM


shadows, etc.
Modulus writes:

shadow in Hebrew is tselem, which is translated as 'in his own image' in Genesis. Though that's probably heresy

"shadow" is צֵל. "image/idol/photograph" is צלם (depending on vowels). they are almost certainly related words, but it's not quite accurate to say one is the other.

god making man in his own image is P's reinterpretation of J's much more direct symbolism, where yahweh literally breathes into the man's nose to make him alive. instead of the man containing the very essence of god, man is now a "shadow" of god. P is reworking a much larger J creation epic, of which we only have a small portion left, condensing and sanitizing J's scandalous assertions.

He provided Adam with male genitalia because He knew that He would later create Eve.

there's the interpretation that adam was a hermaphrodite, and that god split adam, but that comes from a conflation of the two separate stories.

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Message 21 of 120 (677550)
10-30-2012 3:08 PM
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03-01-2006 6:06 PM


Re: Egyptians, hermaphrodites, similar but not the same
Modulous writes:

Or perhaps it was one of the famous jewish puns?

probably, yes. more accurately, it's "rib" or "side". the idea being that woman was taken from man's side, only to return to it (as man was taken from the dirt, and returns to the dirt).

That way leads to madness, amateurs should stay away from trying to figure out Hebrew (or indeed, make stuff up).

truer words have not been spoken.


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Message 22 of 120 (678814)
11-10-2012 5:20 PM
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10-30-2012 3:03 PM


Re: shadows, etc.

Modulus writes:
shadow in Hebrew is tselem, which is translated as 'in his own image' in Genesis. Though that's probably heresy

"shadow" is . "image/idol/photograph" is (depending on vowels). they are almost certainly related words, but it's not quite accurate to say one is the other.

god making man in his own image is P's reinterpretation of J's much more direct symbolism, where yahweh literally breathes into the man's nose to make him alive. instead of the man containing the very essence of god, man is now a "shadow" of god. P is reworking a much larger J creation epic, of which we only have a small portion left, condensing and sanitizing J's scandalous assertions.

He provided Adam with male genitalia because He knew that He would later create Eve.

there's the interpretation that adam was a hermaphrodite, and that god split adam, but that comes from a conflation of the two separate stories.

Modulus writes:
shadow in Hebrew is tselem, which is translated as 'in his own image' in Genesis. Though that's probably heresy

"shadow" is . "image/idol/photograph" is (depending on vowels). they are almost certainly related words, but it's not quite accurate to say one is the other.

god making man in his own image is P's reinterpretation of J's much more direct symbolism, where yahweh literally breathes into the man's nose to make him alive. instead of the man containing the very essence of god, man is now a "shadow" of god. P is reworking a much larger J creation epic, of which we only have a small portion left, condensing and sanitizing J's scandalous assertions.

He provided Adam with male genitalia because He knew that He would later create Eve.

there's the interpretation that adam was a hermaphrodite, and that god split adam, but that comes from a conflation of the two separate stories.

NOTE:

Man HAS managed to form a mental IMAGE of "Father Nature" by understanding of His Laws and creation.

Gen. 1:26 And God, (Father Nature, Reality), said, Let us, (i.e., his Natural Laws, together, in pan-en-theistic expression of the Spirit of God: [Gen 1:2]), make man, (through the process of gradual evolution ending in the finished Adam i.e.; Jesus),... Let us ((i.e., his Natural Laws) make man, (as a reflection of Reality, in his mind, able, through Truth, to imminently reflect the "I am" of this existence: [John 14:6]), IN OUR IMAGE, (after the spirit of our orderly panentheistic organization): and let them, (men as the Dominant species on earth to this day), have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


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Message 23 of 120 (678817)
11-10-2012 5:24 PM
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10-30-2012 3:08 PM


Re: Egyptians, hermaphrodites, similar but not the same

Modulous writes:
Or perhaps it was one of the famous jewish puns?

probably, yes. more accurately, it's "rib" or "side". the idea being that woman was taken from man's side, only to return to it (as man was taken from the dirt, and returns to the dirt).

That way leads to madness, amateurs should stay away from trying to figure out Hebrew (or indeed, make stuff up).

truer words have not been spoken.

Gen. 2:21 And the LORD God, (Father Nature), caused a deep sleep, (a progressive series of evolutions), to fall upon (him, an eponym for a whole species concurrent with Ramaphitecus Man and Sahelanthropus tchadensis), Adam, (to psychologically change him), and he (evolved over many millions of years as if he had) slept: and he, (the Universal Power, in time), took one of his (psychic) ribs, ([Hebrew: Tsela; a side of a person, figuratively, "a door."]), and closed up the flesh (of this psychic facility) instead (separating Human Intuition from the other Freudian faculties) thereof (within the mind of man);

Gen. 2:22 And (with) the rib, ([Hebrew: Tsela; a side of a person, figuratively, "a door."]), which the LORD God, (Father Nature), had taken from man, (the facility of Human Intuition), made he a woman, (and he also created the Anima dominant in her, that source of human Intuition so powerful in woman), and brought her, (The Big Mother Principle: [see Dr. Tessa Warshaw]), unto the (psyche or soul of) man.


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Message 24 of 120 (678833)
11-10-2012 7:20 PM
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Re: Egyptians, hermaphrodites, similar but not the same
This is nonsense.
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Message 25 of 120 (678845)
11-10-2012 8:55 PM
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03-02-2006 9:05 AM


Re: allegory/literal
Hi Mod,

Modulous writes:

It's easy to explain as allegory.

Its easier when you look at the literal meaning.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 26 of 120 (678857)
11-10-2012 10:15 PM
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03-01-2006 3:26 PM



A question for the literalists --
Did Adam have twigs and berries beneith his fig leaf?

Here's why I ask...

Adam was created in God's image, but why would God, a unique being, have genitalia?

Literally, we understand that God is not a physical presence but a spirit thing, similar to the same stuff which thoughts are made from.

God's son is Truth, which is an ideal, not a person, even though one can be under the spirit of Truth, Like Martin Luther King was.

This is probably not immediately acceptable to you, but for argument's sake, my point is that in the light of that definition, god made Adam capable of imagine the Truth, which is reflection of the force behind the ever unfolding Reality that is almighty god.

Add to this the literary criticism that suggests Genesis chapters 2 and 3 are actually about the on going evolution of man's psyche which is dramatized as occurring inside head of earliest man.

Eve is his Anima, differientating itself from from the Libido, which is Adsm.
The Tree of nowledge of good and evil is the Self, and the snake is the Superego, rebeling against authority as it is understood now to so do.

The rest of the story fills in all the psychological details, but perhaps you see my general interpretation well enough already.


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Message 27 of 120 (678859)
11-10-2012 10:21 PM
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11-10-2012 7:20 PM


Re: was Adam packin heat

This is nonsense.

It makes sense in the framework of Theistic Evolution which understands Adam to represent the first species of mankind, which was followed by a series of 22 now extinct humans in our ascent to Modern Homo sapiens:

Gen 5:2 says god called them, the man and his wife, the "Adamites,"... i.e.; a species:

Gen 5:2 Male and female created he THEM; and blessed THEM, and called THEIR name Adam, (a species), in the day when THEY were created.


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Message 28 of 120 (678863)
11-10-2012 10:38 PM
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Re: was Adam packin heat
Again you bring up subjects that you cannot even define.

Theistic evolution makes no claim or has no condition that necessitates Adam being the first species of man. The bible doesn't say anything about "Adamites" either.

It might be worth your while to learn that there are vastly more than 22 species of hominids.


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11-11-2012 9:02 AM
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Re: was Adam packin heat
Hi Kofh2u,

Please stop participating in this thread. Thank you.


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Message 30 of 120 (678899)
11-11-2012 10:14 AM
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11-10-2012 10:38 PM


Re: was Adam packin heat

Again you bring up subjects that you cannot even define.
Theistic evolution makes no claim or has no condition that necessitates Adam being the first species of man. The bible doesn't say anything about "Adamites" either.

It might be worth your while to learn that there are vastly more than 22 species of hominids.

Don't go away yet.
I have messaged the Admin to discover why I am being censored and unable to respond to your lack of understanding on this matter and how it is relevant to the discussion of Adam, Theistic Evolution, and the genealogy of 22 "begats" in Genesis.

If granted equal opportunity to speak with you wise educated science minded people I have much to tell you.

Please wait and see if fairness will prevail and I shall teach you many different points of view which you have not yet discussed and never have even considered.

Edited by kofh2u, : typo


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