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Eli
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Message 31 of 120 (678924)
11-11-2012 1:42 PM
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11-11-2012 10:14 AM


Re: was Adam packin heat
You have nothing to teach or offer.
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Message 32 of 120 (678931)
11-11-2012 4:53 PM
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11-11-2012 10:14 AM


Re: was Adam packin heat
As I said in my PM response to you, if you can put claims like this on a scientific basis:

kofh2u writes:

Gen. 2:21 And the LORD God, (Father Nature), caused a deep sleep, (a progressive series of evolutions)...

Then go ahead. Otherwise please do not participate in this thread, or in any thread where you're making unsupported and unscientific claims, such as those where you're introducing numerological arguments. You can propose threads to discuss these topics, but unless you can bring scientific evidence and arguments in support of your positions I would prefer that you confine discussion of your claims to your own topics.


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Message 33 of 120 (679059)
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As I said in my PM response to you, if you can put claims like this on a scientific basis:

kofh2u writes:
Gen. 2:21 And the LORD God, (Father Nature), caused a deep sleep, (a progressive series of evolutions)...

.......
Then go ahead. Otherwise please do not participate in this thread, or in any thread where you're making unsupported and unscientific claims, such as those where you're introducing numerological arguments.

My training and academic background has taught me that definitions are extremely important is science, and the place to begin and discussion or investigation.

To infer that The-Father-of-Everything, the creative Force behind the Cosmos we are born into is essential a "Father Nature" which Genesis Genesis introduces as "The Creator" hardly seems something that needs more than direct reading comprehension.

But logically, this idea is supported further on, when we read in John 14:6 that the Son of this "Creator God" is Truth, as personified ideal that presents itself in 32AD.

If the Son is Truth, then, logically, the Father must be the Force behind the ever unfolding Reality which moment by moment sires what is true is its wake.

Perhaps some would debate my understanding of scripture, but certainly not the connection between Gen 1:1 and John 14:6,... "I am the Truth, the way, life"...

Consider this thinking to be the premise by which I intend to teach the people here that Genesis is dead right, scientifically, and is an amazing pre-modern science exposition into things totally unknown to us before the last century or two.

People here may attack the premise, but must admit that like all Hypothesis, that is exactly what a premise means.
It is a position and a belief which must be supported by further investigation.


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Message 34 of 120 (679062)
11-12-2012 9:37 AM
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11-11-2012 1:42 PM


Re: was Adam packin heat

You have nothing to teach or offer.

Very unscientific.

Men like Wegener and Ohm and dozens upon dozens of other now highly regard but posthumously saluted men have had those very words throw in their face before the amazing insights they brought to our attention could be confirmed with enough evidence and HONEST intellectual openness to see the establishment punished one of their own.

However, this very common human attitude supports what took place in 32AD, when Jesus said his interpretations of scripture were The Truth, and the force of those pharisees made him "prove" that Truth will always rise again, if it is truth.

We saw Rev Martin Luther King, again in 1964, stand up and personify a whole movement that insisted the Truth was that "Separate but Equal" was a lie, and the Truth that civil rights were denied to all men in America must rise up again and again, in Civil War, in Watts, in a Million Man March in DC.

You are better than this Eli.
Be patient and open and reflective and above all, encouraging so the full impact and clear statement of a different point of view can reach you.

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Message 35 of 120 (679066)
11-12-2012 9:59 AM
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11-10-2012 10:38 PM


Re: was Adam packin heat

It might be worth your while to learn that there are vastly more than 22 species of hominids.

Perhaps,... the matters of Paleontology is still open to debate, but for now, I am using the most recent peer reviewed and academically published State-of-the-Art to be found in this book, in regard to the scientific facts as are available:

Book:

The Last Human: A Guide to Twenty-Two Species of Extinct Humans
by G.J.Sawyer, (Author)

(Note that the number 22 does not imply any connection between some unknown but ill reported claim that there is something wrong about using numbers, i.e some kind of Numerology.
Nevertheless, when we come to discuss how Moses knew all this, 3362 years ago, the pattern of using certain numbers as a clue to discovery in that regard will bring up the coincidence that 3+7+12 = mathematically 22, the same number of letters in the Hebrew Alphabet.)


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Message 36 of 120 (679073)
11-12-2012 10:25 AM
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11-12-2012 9:59 AM


Re: was Adam packin heat
kofh2u writes:

I am using the most recent peer reviewed and academically published State-of-the-Art to be found in this book


Hilarious!
You are bat-shit crazy, but you at least made me laugh.

(I wonder what you people think when, eventually, everyone calls you insane.
Is it just simply a case of repeating to yourself: "It is not me! It is everyone else!"?)

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Message 37 of 120 (679114)
11-12-2012 2:32 PM
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11-12-2012 9:26 AM


Re: was Adam packin heat
Hi Kofh2u,

Science is not about what the Bible says. Science is about what we can glean from studying the natural world. This forum is for discussing how well the Bible can be reconciled with both science and itself (i.e., internal and external consistency).

Making stuff up isn't science. Also, your Message 28 misleadingly presents two images as if they came from the book The Last Human: A Guide to Twenty-Two Species of Extinct Humans. The two images are inconsistent with each other, the information they present regarding correspondences between our evolutionary ancestors and people from Genesis is made up, and the second image is someone's attempt at humor.

If you would like to offer scientific evidence and arguments for your position then please proceed, but otherwise please stop participating in this thread, or any of the science threads for that matter.


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Message 38 of 120 (679115)
11-12-2012 2:32 PM
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Re: was Adam packin heat

Hilarious!
You are bat-shit crazy, but you at least made me laugh.
(I wonder what you people think when, eventually, everyone calls you insane.
Is it just simply a case of repeating to yourself: "It is not me! It is everyone else!"?)

LOL
Your response has me laughing too because I do not know whether youi are on the side of atheist scientists or the programmed indoctrinated Christian Creationists and ID guys.

Why I laugh is that, clearly, we are nearing that place where the Anti-thesis on the one side of the EvC Dialectic is at the breaking point with the theology of the Thesis on Creationism/ID, such as to usher in this Theistic Evolution Synthesis which will never be changed thereafter.

Once the scientists see that Genesis can as easily be supported by a more thorough and comprehensive reading, the Book of Genesis will have the certitude of factual basis for what was written 3362 years agpo.


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Message 39 of 120 (679120)
11-12-2012 2:43 PM
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Re: was Adam packin heat

Science is not about what the Bible says. Science is about what we can glean from studying the natural world. This forum is for discussing how well the Bible can be reconciled with both science and itself (i.e., internal and external consistency).

So when I agree that 22 species as understood right now enumerate the links between modern man in our past evolution, and also show that Genesis parallels that same idea albeit, more acceptable to ancient readers, couching their life spans in terms of thousands of years, you suggest I am unaware that suggests that "the Bible can be reconciled with both science and itself????"

I do not understand your point here.

The consistency with which I have argued that the seven "days" are consistent with the seven eras, (as timed by the Geological Clock), and the Big Bang is essentially a simplified statement that agrees with the Gen 1:1, while the Flood of Noah refers to the extinction of all human species except modern man, 40,000 years ago, not 40 solar "days,"...
....and figurative "Ark" refers to the skull of a Noah of Modern Homo sapiens who contains all their visions mentally,...

.... and all people today are genetically related to one man who lived 40,000 years ago... you say I am not using science properly because it supports Genesis????

Is your rule that science is fine, as long as we use it to ridicule misunderstandings in the reading comprehension for the scriptures?

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Message 40 of 120 (679124)
11-12-2012 2:58 PM
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11-12-2012 2:43 PM


Moderator Request
Hi Kofh2u,

What I'm asking is very simple to understand. Please bring scientific support to your claims. Take an example from your second diagram. Enos was Seth's son, and this diagram says that Seth was an Australopithecus anamensis and that Enos was an Australopithecus africanus. What is your evidence for this?

If you have no evidence, please stop posting.

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Message 41 of 120 (679167)
11-12-2012 6:40 PM
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Re: Moderator Request

Hi Kofh2u,
What I'm asking is very simple to understand. Please bring scientific support to your claims. Take an example from your second diagram. Enos was Seth's son, and this diagram says that Seth was an Australopithecus anamensis and that Enos was an Australopithecus africanus. What is your evidence for this?

If you have no evidence, please stop posting.

The analogy is there.
There is no "proof" that Australopithecus anamensis or Australopithecus africanus were actually links in our ascent, either.

There is simply the parallel analogy in science and Genesis that the ascent of man took place in twenty-two incremental steps.

Surely your science includes the concept of these two Hypothesis, one by science and this one, found in Genesis.

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Message 42 of 120 (679168)
11-12-2012 6:55 PM
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Re: was Adam packin heat

The two images are inconsistent with each other, the information they present regarding correspondences between our evolutionary ancestors and people from Genesis is made up...

All analogies are literary devices that are "made up."

What we can see... is that the last in this list of 22, there is Noah, who had three "sons" which supports the paleontology that identifies the three racial stocks of Caucasian, Negroid, and mongoloid.

This Noah is also supportive in this analogy because we have genetic evidence that all men today are related to just one man who lived 40,000 years ago.

We alsohave the evidence of hybridization taking place between these 22 predecessors BOTH in genetic research and in Genesis:

These correspondences supportr that the two lists are analogous and a valid interpretation of both scripture and paleontology.

Gen. 6:4 There were giants, (Homo Erectus of Methusaelian and Methuselahian kinds according to the bible), in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God, (that line of ascent which would not become extinct, Methuselahian links, through Seth, i.e.; Modern Homo Erectus), came in unto the daughters, (the sister species of Tubal-cain, Naamahians, a late stage Neanderthal type), of men, ("daughters" of the previous adaptation of the Methusaelian line of Cain, i.e.; Homo antecessor, derived through the line of Cain), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men, (Neanderthals), which were of old, (powerful) men of renown (physical strength).

We have the support to this hypothesis in that a mass extinction took place 40,000 years ago, just as descibed in th estory about Noah.


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Hi Kofh2u,

What you need to support your claims is neither analogies nor "proofs," but evidence. I've already failed to get this point across in other threads and shant make further attempts. I'm afraid I'm going to have to continue to reduce your permissions.


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Message 44 of 120 (679204)
11-12-2012 10:02 PM
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11-12-2012 9:37 AM


Re: was Adam packin heat
You, sir, are no Wegener or Galileo.

They could actually evidence what they were claiming. It isn't a preconcieved notion that makes EVERYONE in the forum reject you. It is that you have no substance.

I change my mind all the time, depending on what the evidence tells me. Yesterday I did a complete 180 on my view of payday loans because of a factor that I had not considered previously.

The fact remains that you simply do not know what you are talking about. Different points of view are not equal and not all should be entertained, especially the conclusions drawn based on non-truths... you know, the stuff you keep presenting as evidence which turns out to be absolute horse-shit.

You have nothing to offer because you don't deal in facts. It isn't that I don't have an open mind. It's that I happen to know these subjects, so I can spot an idea that has no merit.

As long as you keep presenting things you made up and lie about what the science is, you will never ever have anything to offer. That's on you, not the reader.


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Message 45 of 120 (679206)
11-12-2012 10:09 PM
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Re: was Adam packin heat
Perfect example.

None of the things you claim here are true.

NONE.

There aren't 22 links of humans right now.
There are not 7 geological eras.
All homo species except sapiens did not go extinct 40,000 years ago.
Y Chromosonal Adam lived 142,000 years ago, so you are about 100,000 years off.

All of these can be easily proven to be false. You are making shit up to try to reconcile the bible with science but you have failed to get even one scientific concept right. Everything you have claimed goes 100% in the wrong direction of what the science is. To top it all off, you are doing this to say that it supports the bible when the claims you make on the biblical side are 100% incorrect also.

You have nothing to offer because everything you have stated, to be nice in my summation, is strictly fan fiction.

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