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Origen
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Message 106 of 115 (372873)
12-29-2006 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Ophir
11-20-2006 4:20 PM


This is not a science topic as much as it is a history lesson. The reason why God mixed the languages was for the reason that mankind need to disperse and spread out through the world. What happened is a man called Nimrod attempted to bring the whole population of the world at that time together and unite them in idolatry. Well, this is evil to God and God would not allow man to have that kind of control over other people. That kind of control will happen in the end, when the AntiChrist attempts to unite the world against God. Nimrod is Babylon 1, while the AntiChrist follows after Nimrod's Babylon. What happened at Babel is a fact and well supportted in history andn archaeology.
God came and confused the language of the people in Shinar (or, "Sumer") at the time, these people began ton freak out because they could no longer speak the common language anymore. Hence the language tree was born.

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Message 107 of 115 (372880)
12-29-2006 10:49 PM
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12-29-2006 10:27 PM


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    ReverendDG
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    Message 108 of 115 (372891)
    12-29-2006 11:42 PM
    Reply to: Message 102 by Rob
    12-25-2006 10:49 AM


    Re: right passage, wrong reason
    Is that all you have then?
    your interpretation of the bible is purely non-biblical and i show you why its wrong, so this is what i get?
    the fact that the bible itself has been translated to bolster a belief that didn't exist when it was written doesn't bother you?
    only in that one line does the translator say lucifer, all the others it says morning
    you don't consider that a problem?

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    ReverendDG
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    Message 109 of 115 (372895)
    12-29-2006 11:52 PM
    Reply to: Message 106 by Origen
    12-29-2006 10:27 PM


    What happened at Babel is a fact and well supportted in history andn archaeology.
    it is? what evidence do you have? from what i understand historians and archaelogists say the story of babal is nothing but a fable, structured around a ziggarot rebult by one of the kings of babylon, hardly anything in the bible is factual or shown to be 100% as the bible says it is
    God came and confused the language of the people in Shinar (or, "Sumer") at the time, these people began ton freak out because they could no longer speak the common language anymore. Hence the language tree was born.
    no shinar is a hebrew name for north and south babylon, not sumer, and by the way you don't seem to have a clue how languages evolve or branch off, why would people move around instead of staying in the same area? even though they can't speak to eachother, the land would still be useful.
    this is nothing but a fable to explain something the israelits don't have a clue about

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    Rob 
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    Message 110 of 115 (372901)
    12-30-2006 12:12 AM
    Reply to: Message 108 by ReverendDG
    12-29-2006 11:42 PM


    Re: right passage, wrong reason
    Is that all you have then?
    For you... yes!

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    iceage 
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    Message 111 of 115 (372902)
    12-30-2006 12:16 AM
    Reply to: Message 106 by Origen
    12-29-2006 10:27 PM


    Language tree
    Origen writes:
    Hence the language tree was born.
    Language tree... hmmm.... tree as in evolutionary hierarchal progression with a traceable taxonomy.

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    Origen
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    Message 112 of 115 (372904)
    12-30-2006 12:21 AM
    Reply to: Message 109 by ReverendDG
    12-29-2006 11:52 PM


    That is false. Southern Babylon was Sumer and northern Babylon was Akkad. I know thias because I am an ancient historian who owns several ancient manuscripts. Shinar does not mean north in Hebrew, and if it did mean North in Hebrew it could not mean south at the same time--law of non-contradiction. Shinar is an indirect Hebrew reference to southern Babylon and every true Biblical scholar knows this. I will not argue with an argumentive person if you are looking to be argumentive. We Christians know our faith better than all evolutionists in this world and you're going to have to accept that. Besides, the forum mod said I cannot post information in defense of true knowable history on this forum and for that vague set of rules alone I am leaving this forum because its run by the priori commitment of closed mindedness. The rules here remain me alot like the Constitution of the USSR --easy to manipulate!! I was hoping this forum was professional but its not, so I'll just stick to the forum I've been on.

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    Origen
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    Message 113 of 115 (372914)
    12-30-2006 1:22 AM
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    12-29-2006 10:49 PM


    Re: Origen
    I guess there nothing more offensive then an evolutionists who 'pretends' to be a Biblical scholar and open topics that bash the Authority if the Bible and not allow real Biblical theologians to respond to all the factions given by those who have never studied the Bible or other histories without the use of modern Marxist commentaries designed to manipulate knowable truth under the guise of propaganda. We Christians know a great deal about Babylon and have 2000-years of study over evolutions 150-years. Even before the Christian area the Jews knew their history of Babylon better than those bigot pseudohistorians of the last 150-years!
    I have studied true knowable history and archaeology and have found out that evolutionists do next to nothing about this ancient people. All evos have is what Wellhausen and Aleister Crolwey wrote for them which is not a reliable source of information. Evos also fail to deny all of Wellhausen's work after it was refuted by the Ebla Tablets: A monotheistic creation account that antedates the Enuma Elish and was written from the same line of people (Eber, Gen.10:25) and the same part of the world that the Hebrews came from before their slavery in Egypt! So Wellhausen knew nothing about ancient history and must be denied by all historians and archaeologists as someone of authority. And if you atheists actually saw for your own eyes the historical confirmation of the Babel calamity you'd serious have to question evolution afterward. But...facts probably mean nothing when presumptions make more MONEY!!

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    Message 114 of 115 (372922)
    12-30-2006 3:00 AM
    Reply to: Message 113 by Origen
    12-30-2006 1:22 AM


    Re: Origen
    You seem to harbor a great deal of animosity towards both evolutionists and atheists. Perhaps we need to discuss thatbut not in this topic.
    Try and work with us here, and you will get your soapbox, in the right context and within the Forum Guidelines
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  • Always treat other members with respect. Argue the position, not the person. Avoid abusive, harassing and invasive behavior. Avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics.
    Slow down and work with us, here. Get to know us and participate in a few of the topics before starting so many of your own.
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    Origen writes:
    All evos have is what Wellhausen and Alister Crowley wrote for them which is not a reliable source of information.
    It sounds a bit unbelievable. I would imagine that evolutionists have studied quite a few more sources than that, be they right or wrong. To argue otherwise, provide links to what Wellhausen and Alister Crowley wrote.
    Take some time and lay out your argument bit by bit, remembering to keep science supported with references and to keep your Faith expressed with the acknowledgment that it is faith and not necessarily fact. (Even if you believe that it is.)

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    Equinox
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    Message 115 of 115 (393366)
    04-04-2007 4:12 PM
    Reply to: Message 111 by iceage
    12-30-2006 12:16 AM


    Re: Language tree
    Iceage wrote:
    Language tree... hmmm.... tree as in evolutionary hierarchal progression with a traceable taxonomy.
    Iceage, do you know the approximate age of the root of the language tree? It seems that it would have to far predate the Babel incident, since Babel is postdiluvian (gen 11, flood in Gen 7). because creationists usually put the flood at around 2500 BCE, there seems to be a problem, since I think we have plenty of different languages predating 2500 BCE (Egyptian, Akkadian, possibly Chinese).
    Do we have other languages predating the flood?

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