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Author Topic:   The Unacknowledged Accuracy of Genesis 1
anglagard
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Message 67 of 302 (366130)
11-26-2006 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by zaron
11-26-2006 6:13 PM


Re: Religion and Truth.
For anyone interested in accuracy, the Earth is a three-dimensional oblate spheroid, not a two-dimensional circle.

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anglagard
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Message 69 of 302 (366136)
11-26-2006 6:47 PM
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11-26-2006 6:40 PM


Re: Religion and Truth.
I didn't say sphere, I said oblate spheroid. Why didn't the Bible say oblate spheroid, or did it have to be dumbed down for the audience?

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anglagard
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Message 164 of 302 (408190)
07-01-2007 5:56 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by IamJoseph
07-01-2007 5:33 AM


The Most Obvious Citation of The Iliad
IAmJoseph writes:
The Illiad is a poem, dealing with mythical hellenist dieties, and is not older than the OT - its dating is without any substantiation, with no hard-copy. It does not site verifiable items.
The Iliad, by referring to a Trojan War, most certainly cited and sited a walled city called Troy. Didn't Schliemann find that city based upon clues provided in the Iliad? So how does the existence of Troy as stated in the Iliad "not site verifiable items?" Also, archeology (which I remind you is the same archeology which you are using to verify Biblical accounts) is how the dating of the account provided in the Iliad is verified.
Edited by anglagard, : gramer

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anglagard
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Message 174 of 302 (408212)
07-01-2007 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by IamJoseph
07-01-2007 8:13 AM


Re: keeping things on track
If I can apply my 2 cents here: I present the OT in debates in its scientific and historical context only, and don't get into 'miracles' (stated in the text as miracles, and thus not provable). I believe a theology must pass the test of truth and verifiability in all its historical and science oriented components. I see the OT as the most vindicated document in existence, by period of time, volume of data and by impact: almost everything has been either proven or evidenced of its historicity, and its science oriented statutes are standing up to the best of sciences today. IOW, this document is unique, with nothing like it anyplace I've looked.
IIRC the OP concerned the accuracy of Genesis 1. If you are making the argument that the Bible or even the book of the Bible called Genesis in its entirety taken as a literal, as opposed to a metaphorical statement, is validated by science, then there are many threads here which are more appropriate.

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anglagard
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Message 176 of 302 (408218)
07-01-2007 9:33 AM
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07-01-2007 9:10 AM


Re: keeping things on track
Genesis 1 is not mythical, nor is Creationism: what's the alternative - the BBT culminates in a never-ending array of brick walls? Also, what would you deem a more vindicated explanation - the 'seed' or 'nature' for repro? - and cross-specie or within specie grads - I mean, which are absolutely, indisputably vindicated?
Perhaps if you seek to make the arguments for your position in such broad strokes, a belief statement may be more appropriate. If you have specific arguments concerning how science validates a literal reading of the Bible, there are several other threads in this forum which examine in detail the preposition that the Bible is the ultimate science textbook.

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anglagard
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Message 292 of 302 (408688)
07-04-2007 4:27 AM
Reply to: Message 290 by IamJoseph
07-04-2007 4:06 AM


Re: is this even on-topic?
IAJ writes:
Genesis's employed breakdowns is superior in the application of a creational overview and applying for all generations. Your description can be wrong with a new insight, or it can be less than adequate when finer differentials are discovered - but these are not impacting. As a minimilist, big pic overview, and as the applicable factors of the narrative's fundamental message, which is not narrowed to our current assessments of life form divisions, genesis is correct and wise. 'And everything that creepeth' anticipates all subjective categories:
Do bats lay eggs?
The OT is the epitome of grammar.
Which version?
Wrong again. You have to render the same deliberation as you would a science or math equation. Note the clause: 'and every living creature' - it caters to bacteria, germs and yet some futuristically discoverable life group:
I guess every living creature would by definition mean all life, is a tautology meaningful? Does it win wars, provide for economic development, cure diseases, or even add to human understanding?
I have to agree with Dr A, I suppose every court needs a jester.

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