The Unacknowledged Accuracy of Genesis 1

hmmm... the book of Job seems to be one of the oldest books and it has alot of reference about such things like:(beginning with God rebuking Job)
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Now gird up your loins like a man, for I will question you; and you teach Me.
Job 38:4 Where were you when I founded the earth? Declare if you know understanding.Job 38:16 Have you gone to the springs of the sea; or have you walked in searching of the deep?Job 38:31 Can you bind the bands of the Pleiades, or loosen the cords of Orion?Job 38:32 Can you bring out the constellations in their season; or can you guide the Bear with its sons?Job 40:15 Now behold Behemoth, which I made along with you; he eats grass like an ox;
Job 40:16 see, now, his strength is in his loins, and his force in the muscles of his belly;
Job 40:17 he hangs his tail like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are knit together;
Job 40:18 his bones are like tubes of bronze; his bones like bars of iron;Job 40:23 Behold, he is confident, even if Jordan burst forth against his mouth.
Job 40:24 Shall any take him before his eyes, or pierce his nose with snares?Job 41:1 Can you draw out the leviathan with a hook, or hold down his tongue with a cord?
Job 41:2 Can you put a reed rope into his nose, or pierce his jaw with a thorn?Job 41:12 I will not keep silent as to his limbs, or the matter of his powers, or the grace of his frame.
Job 41:13 Who can take off the face of his covering; who can come with his double bridle?
Job 41:14 Who can pry open the doors of his face? Terror is all around his teeth.
Job 41:15 The rows of shields are his pride, shut up with a tight seal;
Job 41:16 one is so near to another that no air can come between them;
Job 41:17 they are joined to one another; they clasp each other, so that they cannot be separated.
Job 41:18 His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are as the eyelids of the dawn.
Job 41:19 Out of his mouth go burning torches; sparks of fire fly out.
Job 41:20 Smoke goes out of his nostrils like a boiling pot fired by reeds.
Job 41:21 His breath kindles coals and the flame goes out from his mouth.
Job 41:22 Strength abides in his neck and terror dances before him.
Job 41:23 The folds of flesh cleave together, cast firm on him; he cannot be moved.
Job 41:24 His heart is cast hard as a stone, even cast hard as a piece of a lower millstone.Job 41:27 He counts iron as straw, bronze as rotten wood.
Job 41:28 A son of a bow cannot make him flee; slingstones are turned to stubble by him;
Job 41:29 darts are counted as stubble; he laughs at the shaking of a javelin.
Job 41:30 Points of potsherds are under him; he spreads sharp marks on the mire.
Job 41:31 He makes the deep boil like a pot; he makes the sea like a pot of ointment;
Job 41:32 he makes a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be grayheaded.
Job 41:33 There is nothing like him on earth, one made without fear.Here in Isaih it is mentioned about the earth being in the shape of a circle:Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth3427 upon5921 the circle2329 of the earth,776 and the inhabitants3427 thereof are as grasshoppers;2284 that stretcheth out5186 the heavens8064 as a curtain,1852 and spreadeth them out4969 as a tent168 to dwell in:3427Job 22:14 Clouds are a covering for Him, and He does not see; and He walks the circuit of the heavens.So much for there NEVER NOT ONCE being anybody inspired by God concerning what we now know that was once not known.

This is so obviously true. If forces the beleiver of the Bible to really dig for answers. That is a good thing. If indeed the Bible is true then it should be able to be explained. Somewhere there is something not right.How about this...What if there is more in the account of Genesis than meets the eye?There are other scriptures as well that indicate that something was going on long before those six days of creation.The very first verse in the Bible, notice how it goes and then notice the very next.Ever wonder why, that after the very first "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth, each verse is then began with ...and? As though breaking in the middle of a sentence, or in the middle of a time."In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."Period!then the next sentence begins with "AND?""And the earth was without form and void"Huh?? Did we skip something???Perhaps He did. Perhaps alot was skipped from in the beginning to the present story being told "..and the earth was without form and void"Gen 1:2 And the earth776 was1961 without form,8414 and void;922 and darkness2822 was upon5921 the face6440 of the deep.8415 And the Spirit7307 of God430 moved7363 upon5921 the face6440 of the waters.4325Starting with that first verse we find a mistranslation of the word "was"The earth "was" without form and void, or empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep.The word "was" is used. The Hebrew word is "hayah", and it means "became". It was translated "became" 67 times, and "came to pass" 505 times and "come to pass" 131 times.So that scripture should and could read "The earth "became without form and void"Now for
The use of the word "and" in Genesis.It is used 148 times in Gen. chapter 1 through 2 to seperate the 102 recorded independent acts of God. Verse 2 is as independent of verse 1 as to time and subject matter as all other seperate acts of God.Verse 1 refers to the whole universe being created and inhabited in the dateless past, while verse 2 refers to chaos because of judgment.Verse 3 through 31 picture the restoration of the earth as before chaos, and its second habitation with present man and the new earth and water creatures brought into being about 6,000 years ago.These scriptures below show that the Earth was not originally created waste or empty as depicted in verse 2:2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 By which the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved to fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.Jer 4:22 For my people are foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have no understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. (just like in our beginning)
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and lo, there was no man, and all the fowls of the heavens had fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all its cities were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.Satan was in the Garden of Eden at the time of Adam and Eve. Satan was once a good angel who had fallen and led 1/3 of the angels to war against God. He was defeated and cast out of heaven. He was guilty of trafficking. Now to convince 1/3 of the angels to rebel with him must have taken time. How long we don't know. He ruled over something and was at one time perfect. Until iniquity was "found" in him.At the time he shows up in the Garden of Eden, he is ALREADY fallen. It seems he ruled over the Earth as scriptures describe and now that we know the scriptures should read "the earth BECAME void and empty" then it would explain all the fossil records that don't match the time of 6,000 years. Because if Satan ruled over the Earth and led a war to Heaven, what did he rule over? Perhaps over all those "older bones" that we have so much evidence of. During the dinosaur ages perhaps.Nevertheless Satan has lost the battle and is sore angry and so attempts to gain control with this new race by influencing their fall. Once they fall, he knows that he will reign through death until the crime is paid for by the second Adam, Jesus, who will come and be what the first Adam was meant to be but failed. He will come and restore the breach between God and man with innocent blood. His own blood. Then Satan will lose the power of death over those who partake in the sacrifice provided by God, the spotless lamb. For Adam was perfect and when he fell by choosing to break the one rule God gave him to obey, he broke the chain that bonded us to God. That is why all who are born after him are born in that broken state. Jesus came to bind up that breach. That is why they call him the second Adam.
Spiritually speaking. Genesis 1:1-21 is a summary of the creation of the heavens and the earth and Genesis 2: is a detailed account of mans creation.God created the animals and man in the same day on day 6. In the first chapter the animals were mentioned first then man. But both in the same day.In the detailed account of man in the second chapter you have it being said exactly what God did when He created man and then how He created the animals and brought them to him to be named. I don't see a problem with that because the purpose of mentioning it is to tell the reader that God was looking for a helper for Adam, so its easy to assume that he's stating that the animals he created he brought to Adam to name. It's a frivolous point I think. Talking animals? You mean the serpent I take it. Parrots can mimic human voices so who is to say that the serpent which was the most sneaky of creatures and who walked upright did not have these abilities before he was cursed? Certainly the ability to be used by Satan to speak. Just like God used the ass to speak to Balaam.Perhaps some of it is figurative. But to say for sure would be useless. For if you disqualify some of the odd things that seem ridiculous in Genesis, you may as well not tell me that there are 8 legged sea creatures that emit black ink, or birds that imitate the human language or 8 legged insects that produce a substance that if combined is stronger than steel, or humans that can grow an enire other human within themselves starting with an egg and fertilizer, and that the baby feeds off of her body while in and out, and that we have creatures (humans)that can create objects that defy gravity (airplanes). Oh but wait, we can prove that! You see, it is BECAUSE we have proof of THOSE things that seem impossible (to one who had never heard or seen anything like it), along with a gagillion other seemingly impossible things that we witness and partake of in this day and age, that makes those silly things in Genesis seem VERY possible. IMOEdited by zaron, : No reason given.

the hebrew word for circle here is "khoog" and it means "circle"!!!why are you turning it into a disc???Edited by AdminPD, : Fixed quote box

So are you saying that a sphere does not have the shape of a circle???The appearance of a sphere is circular. Are you going to pick it and say because the word spere isn't used then they didn't know it wasn't flat?Where did you get the idea that circle here meant disc?The definition for circle is: A closed curve every point of which is equally distant from a fixed point within it.the definition for disc or disk is: something round and flat.the definition for sphere is: globe; a figure so shaped that every point on its surface is an equal distance from its center.Just because the word circle is used instead of sphere does not denote the meaning disc.Why did you add to that meaning of circle that isn't there?

I vote, dumbed down for the audience.

Sphere and circle have more similar meanings concerning the measurements.I guess we both have an idea and are trying to prove it.It isn't that bothersome to me.I guess the reason that I would want to prove the God of the Bible is because of salvation purposes. You may wonder why we fight so hard to unite the Bible with science. It's because real truth agrees with it.Regardless what science discovers and what the bible reveals or does not.If you prove to me that the Bible is full of errors, I will concede to that fact. But that will not change the power of God.He is not bound by mans errors and does not hold us accountable to them unless we have ill purpose in it.What you need is a genuine miracle.Proof of His existance and ability through a divine revelation or miracle. Have you prayed for such?For I'm sure if there were a God as such that I proclaim, you most certainly would want to know Him and serve Him.

hmmm.. so are you saying God led you to the denial of His existance?I'm sure that is not what you are saying for it is illogical. This I know you are not.Perhaps you are saying he led you away from mans interpretation of Him so that you would not limit Him through some of the lies we learn.

science says that matter is contengent, and the real truth revealed in the Bible claims the same thing.

thanks Mr. constantatheistI would like to direct then your attention to the interpretation of Genesis as follows. I respect your opinion however harsh it may be and am truthfully anticipating your complete and brutal honesty concerning this. It seems that truth and science have parted ways and this is evidence of error in our science and or truth interpretations. The key, I believe, is to put our heads together and find out wherein lie the errors. I imagine there are plenty of errors of interpretation on both sides. We must be mature enough to embrace that notion and get on with the task of unraveling this mad mess.
Science is less likely to be misinterpreted I feel than the writings in Genesis for I think, obvious reasons. We have less evidence to handle in biblical issues (apart from personal experience), than we do with science.One interpretation of Genesis which does not have very much popularity in the mainstream religions is as follows:That verse 1:1 is an introduction to the whole Bible and all history. That it marks the boundary between time and eternity. It is not a summarized statement of what is to follow, for it mentions heaven first, while the following verses mention the earth first.
I will not include other scriptures as I would like to in order to prove that point. It is however a little difficult to show error of interpretation of a collection of writings that claim to hold the same truths within themselves, without referring to its other parts. The proof of the possible misinterpretation is mostly to be validated within the collective writings themselves. But I will do my best.Next I would like to address something that appears to have been discussed already. The word "create" or "bara".(If the hebrew word "bara" can mean "bring into being")
Part of this unpopular interpretation asserts that "bara" was used 7 times in Genesis chapter 1 - chapter 2. All other places "made" and "make" are used, thus possibly indicating that the 6 days work to be mainly reconstructive. It seems as though "bara" is reserved to identify the coming into existance of all living creatures, and spiritual life represented by man.Next issue is the seemingly mistranslated word "was" in Genesis 1:2"And the earth "was" without form and void;..."the hebrew word for "was" here is "hayah", meaning "became". It is translated "became" 67 times; "becamest", "came", and "came to pass", 505 times; "become" 66 times and "come to pass" 131 times; and "be" in the sense of "become".If this should prove to be true, then Genesis 1:2 should read "And the earth became, or came to be, without form and void."Next issue is the seemingly misinterpreted words "without form and void" The suggested "idea" here is that the earth was created "tohu va bohu" meaning waste and empty. This conflicts with other passages throughout scripture of which you will have to take my word unless I am allowed an exception of showing. The truths of the Bible are to support one another. If indeed the Bible is where one can attain "truth" then it should support (itself) "in matters of its proposed truths" and if contradictions arise then one must consider the possibility of a misinterpretation at some point.If indeed the above word was mistranslated causing a misinterpretation, then it would explain that Genesis 1:1 is an introduction of a grand event and Genesis 1:2 is the introduction of something much later.To further support this idea consider the following:the word "and" is used 148 times in Gen. chapter 1 through 2 to separate the 102 recorded independent acts of God. Verse 2 is as independent of verse 1 as to time and subject matter as all other separate acts of God. Verse 1 refers to the whole universe being created and inhabited in the dateless past, while verse 2 refers to chaos. The question one might consider is what caused this chaos and does it jive with the other truths revealed in the collective writings.The next issue and the last for now to prevent too lengthy a post:"Let" defined"Let" is used 13 times in chapter 1. 1,464 times elsewhere, and in no case is an original creative act implied. The sense is "made appear" or "made visible" expressing permission and purpose in connection with already existing things.
The light, firmament, waters, earth, darkness and all other things mentioned here were already in exisence, but had been thrown into "chaos" and the laws that had previously governed them had been made "void".There are more to discuss like definition of "firmament"The "divisions"Definition of "made"Discussion of the "two great lights"I look forward to your expertise in these matters. It gives me great anticipation to have your insight on these things.

That was the funniest thing I have ever read, seriously. I have never been told off in such a way. I go away wondering if I should say thank you while feeling like crap at the same time!Have I worn you out before I start oh great and powerful full of everlasting knowledge constantathiest sir?lol!!!Truly I am not offended. I am jesting with you. I know I am ignorant of many things. I imagine it must be very tiring. I appreciate you taking the time to stoop so low as to address my perfect stupidity. You tickle me greatly I mean that. Mostly its tickling because you meant every word of it with a passion. For some reason that makes it all the more hilarious for me I kid you not!O.K. By nature I feel I owe you a reprimand. As a parent it comes to me automatically.My good friend: (in my mind that is what I have made you, never mind it may always be a one sided relationship but hopefully not)Knowledge you have.Wisdom you misuse.AND . Kindness is that place that you forgot to visit. You thought it was an unnecessary bother with no purpose. You have foolishly mistaken its power for weakness and because of its absence stands an obnoxious and stubborn brick wall.Arrogance you obey perfectly and therefore you have become perfectly arrogant.You should, as a rule, always assume the best about people. Even if the record shows most people deserve what you dish out. You should never forget what it is like to be unlearned. Perhaps you had a harsh teacher. Perhaps you had no teacher and you taught yourself. That would explain your problem.But you must keep in mind my dear constantathiest that there are those who truly yet seek wisdom and understanding and that are not out to prove a preconceived point but rather to sincerely study it. My existence does not hinge on my beliefs, rather my beliefs hinge on my existence.I am one of those seekers of wisdom and understanding.I love learning. And in that process I have learned that it is more important to learn to love.Now, why would you want to force a person through such anal passages in order to allow them to peek at the gems you have acquired?I have 7 children and a lot of patience. (imd)For the record, arrogance was not my intention as I'm sure you know. Ignorance is not arrogance.But arrogance is a good indication of ignorance. And you my friend are not ignorant concerning your arrogance.Therefore your behavior resembles that of a browbeating fool.It’s the reverse of fecal matter in a silk stocking.The reverse of a beautiful tomb on the outside with death on the inside.So, clean up your act, it is sloppy and irresponsible.Learn how to be honest AND respectful. Or else you may one day find yourself hitting the ground very hard after you saw off the branch you sit on.Here’s a new proverb I heard. Difficult words spoken in kindness resisteth a mouth full of broken teeth, and truth spoken in respect resisteth a foot to the head.I'm scolding you like I would one of my own children.Like I tell them: “Play nice and be considerate of those weaker than you.”Knowledge is great. Kindness, compassion and understanding are greater. Together they make wisdom. Wisdom is your ultimate defense and love is the only hand it cuddles under. But that is only my opinion.I asked for your complete brutal honesty.You in turn, sprayed me with your funkifiedness because you were insulted by your presumed arrogance of my question that I should dare ask after all the "GREATS!" have clearly exhausted! (don’t bother looking up that word. I created it just for you).Love is the father of wisdom. Your response indicates symptoms of mental whoredom which would explain this bastardly behavior your imprisoned in.Anyway, did you have any comments about the theory that I posted?(Don’t forget that when one posts another’s theory, it doesn’t automatically mean that they believe that theory, but that they would like to test it.)Just try and have your answer match the question asked please.Keeping your new found manners in mind, I would like to hear what you have to say. If it’s too tiresome then don’t bother yourself. I imagine that being a constantathiest requires alot of vigor. Especially having to spend so much time beating down all these tiresome underwhelming apologetics.much sincerity
your good friend
Zaron Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

lollllllllllloooooooooopppppsssssactually triple oops!I realize I said that THREE times!!sorry about that Edited by zaron, : meant to seem a little more sorryEdited by AdminPD, : Warning

could you possibly direct me to that which has given you this notion?I'm interested in knowing if you don't mind and if it's not too off topic.thanks

Thank you for your quick response. I, however will need some time to respond to message 82 as I was kindly reminded by my good friend. I will try and keep the posts kind of short. I'll break them up so that it isn't so time consuming. I have questions for everything and you seem to be just the right guy to ask! I have some ideas and other scriptures that shed light on the conclusions that you have concerning Genesis. I think the Bible should agree with itself concerning truth, but concerning matters like this, I'm starting to see that it probably wasn't given for those purposes.Thanks again for your time.Happy holidays, (if they pertain to your custom)if not, then, happy day!