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Author Topic:   Eyewitness To Jesus? The Gospel Authors
Buzsaw
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Message 3 of 107 (75461)
12-28-2003 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by JIM
12-28-2003 2:47 PM


Do we have any more evidence the Buddah Shakyamuni, Mohammed, Plato, Confucius, Cicero, or even Julius Caesar?
Btw, what's your response to the following?
After nearly 2,000 years, historical evidence for the existence of Jesus has come to light literally written in stone. An inscription has been found on an ancient bone box, called an ossuary, that reads “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.” This container provides the only New Testament-era mention of the central figure of Christianity and is the first-ever archaeological discovery to corroborate Biblical references to Jesus.
The Aramaic words etched on the box’s side show a cursive form of writing used only from about 10 to 70 A.D., according to noted paleographer André Lemaire of the cole Pratique des Hautes tudes (popularly known as the Sorbonne University) in Paris, who verified the inscription’s authenticity. The ossuary has been dated to approximately 63 A.D. Lemaire details his full investigation in the November/December 2002 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, the leading popular publication in its field.
Ancient inscriptions are typically found on royal monuments or on lavish tombs, commemorating rulers and other official figures. But Jesus, who was raised by a carpenter, was a man of the people, so finding documentation of his family is doubly unexpected.
In the first century A.D., Jews followed the custom of transferring the bones of their deceased from burial caves to ossuaries. The practice was largely abandoned after the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70 A.D. No one knows for certain why the practice started or stopped, but it provides a rare period of self-documentation in which commoners as well as leaders left their names carved in stone.
The new find is also significant in that it corroborates the existence of Joseph, Jesus’ father, and James, Jesus’ brother and a leader of the early Christian church in Jerusalem. The family relationships contained on the new find helped experts ascertain that the inscription very likely refers to the Biblical James, brother of Jesus (see, for example, Matthew 13:55-56 and Galatians 1:18-19). Although all three names were common in ancient times, the statistical probability of their appearing in that combination is extremely slim. In addition, the mention of a brother is unusual--indicating that this Jesus must have been a well-known figure.
Laboratory tests performed by the Geological Survey of Israel confirm that the box’s limestone comes from the Jerusalem area. The patina--a thin sheen or covering that forms on stone and other materials over time--has the cauliflower-type shape known to develop in a cave environment; more importantly, it shows no trace of modern elements.
The 20-inch-long box resides in a private collection in Israel. Like many ossuaries obtained on the antiquities market, it is empty. Its history prior to its current ownership is not known.
The container is one of very few ancient artifacts mentioning New Testament figures. One such object is the ossuary of Caiaphas, the high priest who turned Jesus over to the Romans, according to the Biblical account. Caiaphas’s tomb was uncovered in 1990. Also, some 40 years ago, archaeologists discovered an inscription on a monument that mentions Pontius Pilate.
“The James ossuary may be the most important find in the history of New Testament archaeology,” says Hershel Shanks, editor of Biblical Archaeology Review. “It has implications not just for scholarship, but for the world’s understanding of the Bible.”
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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 4 of 107 (75463)
12-28-2003 6:31 PM


Four facts must also be considered:
1. Christianity was a new religion considered to be a cult by the elite religionists of the time.
2. The pagan central government was opposed to the sect and burnt all they could get their hands on, according to Biblical history.
3. Considering the above, the only written history to be preserved and the only ones to do the writing would be Christians, many of whom were martyred, especially the leaders who would've been the ones to write and to preserve written accounts
4. As was the case with many notables, much of what we know about them has been handed down by others than eye witnesses, mainly by the spoken rather than the written word. I would say the evidence for Jesus surpasses many for this reason, there having been preserved very early manuscripts about him.
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Buzsaw
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Message 17 of 107 (75507)
12-28-2003 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Rrhain
12-28-2003 6:56 PM


Why? Surely the Jews would have taken notice of this amazing Jewish boy, who understood the Law as deeply as a learned scholar while merely a boy, who was performing miracles left and right, etc., etc. Why is it nobody seemed to notice his existence?
Yah sure, just like they took soooo much care to undermine his miracles and cover up his resurrection and just like modern Jews and you secularists have enough bias against him today to reject by spin, the remarkable archeological find concerning his step dad and brother, James. Had this been someone like Shakyamuni, the world would've bent over backwards to lend accredence to the find.

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Buzsaw
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Message 19 of 107 (75532)
12-29-2003 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by judge
12-28-2003 11:58 PM


Re: The word became flesh
Of course all the deciples knew him well and touched him. I think Rrhain is referring to who he considers to be writers who were with him. According to Acts, the apostle Paul received a bright blinding vision from him and heard his voice from Heaven. You raise good points nevertheless, Judge.

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