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ThingsChange
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Message 53 of 145 (85265)
02-11-2004 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by truthlover
02-10-2004 10:38 PM


Re: The difference between a scientist and a fundy!
TruthLover writes:
I think most fundy's are happy to have a "scientifically possible" explanation"
Yes, but it goes even further, ...something like this order:
1. "Hmmm. You seem to have a point let me think about it and get back to you" (translation: it's low on the priority list)
2. "(after reading about it on ICR or similar literature) It could have happened this way: blah blah blah" (i.e. what may be or seems to be a scientific explanation)
3. (if you refute the above, then) "Does the person who came up with the theory/evidence believe in God?" (if not, the person is biased and not worth listening to)
4. "Yes, that is puzzling. But it must not be important for us to know, or else God would have revealed it in the Bible (through man)".
So, on the EvC Forums, has a Fundamentalist ever conceded that there is a problem severe enough to no longer believe the Bible is the Word of God?

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ThingsChange
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Message 55 of 145 (85380)
02-11-2004 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by truthlover
02-11-2004 10:10 AM


Re: The difference between a scientist and a fundy!
TruthLover writes:
Of course, there's a difference between becoming a non-literalist and saying that the Bible is not the Word of God.
I suppose this has been covered somewhere in EvC, but please explain further on how you know what is literal vs non (other than the obvious, like Revelations). If one miracle is not accepted (like Creation or the Flood), then are any miracles to be believed (and why those cases)? How can you accept Jesus if you don't believe in miracles as documented in the Bible? There are verses in the Bible that make the claim that they are the WOG, and I once understood how that locially spreads to the whole Bible. Sorry, but I can't quote chapter and verse, but maybe Buz, Simple or Skeptic can.

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ThingsChange
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Message 68 of 145 (85821)
02-12-2004 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by kendemyer
02-12-2004 1:47 PM


Re: jonah and the missing link whale
kendemyer writes:
I chose the title, "Jonah and the whale. It happened! Believe it" as a title for Christians to identify the essay as a Pro-Bible essay via the search engines. It worked.
You're not worried that those Christians will look at the other threads?!
You say "it happened!". But, you have no proof. There is nothing to debate about speculation.

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ThingsChange
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Message 100 of 145 (87938)
02-22-2004 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by kendemyer
02-21-2004 4:03 PM


Re: jonah and whale
kendemyer writes:
Christ view the book as historical, Mt 12:39-41; Lu 11:29-32. If we reject the book of Jonah as literal, we reject the authenticity of Christ’s statement.
In the book of Matthew, Jesus refered to the Flood and Noah, too. If you reject the Flood in Genesis, then don't you also "the authenticity of Christ’s statement"?
Many miracles claimed by authors of the Bible books cannot be proved one way or the other (i.e healing, water to wine in a local area, etc.). Jonah and Whale is one of those, too. I don't think any of us doubt that Jonah existed or ancient cities. And, the Bible is pretty good at archeology. But, that is a far cry from buying the story of the whale. That is like saying that the books that claim UFOs are true because the observer was proven to be at the site in Arizona (or wherever).
The real controversy is over miracles that clash with scientific evidence, like the age of the Earth and whether a Great Flood occurred.

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