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kendemyer
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Message 76 of 145 (86707)
02-16-2004 3:34 PM


jonah and whale
I did some more science and historical research. The information is now revised at the very beginning of the string.
Sincerely,
Ken DeMyer
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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 77 of 145 (86761)
02-16-2004 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by kendemyer
02-16-2004 3:34 PM


Re: jonah and whale
I did some more science and historical research.
Again, what, specifically, are you seeking to pawn off as "inductive proof"?

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kendemyer
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Message 78 of 145 (86767)
02-16-2004 7:48 PM


jonah and whale
To ConsequentAtheist:
Again, when I wrote this piece I did not expect professed atheists to do cartwheels and declare themselves Christians after reading my research into this matter. In short, I am pawning off nothing.
The information I have given including the expanded historical information speaks for itself. If you reject it, I am doing no arm twisting. Especially, when you are asking such a broad question. I do not even believe you read the material carefully or you would have complained about the broken links in a prior post.
In summary, I have no desire to wrangle with you.
Sincerely,
Ken
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Message 79 of 145 (86780)
02-16-2004 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by kendemyer
02-16-2004 7:48 PM


Re: jonah and whale
I have no desire to wrangle with you.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Your evasions are getting tiresome. What, specifically, are you seeking to pawn off as "inductive proof"?
Sincerely,
No, cowardly.

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kendemyer
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Message 80 of 145 (86799)
02-16-2004 9:43 PM


jonah and essay
To ConsequentialAtheist:
The whole first post to the string is material to base inductive reasoning with.
I still have no desire to argue with a contentious person. It still seems as if you are not looking at the material because I removed one last dead link a minute ago. In short, I am not going to argue with someone who is not carefully reviewing the material.
Sincerely,
Ken
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Message 81 of 145 (86805)
02-16-2004 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by kendemyer
02-16-2004 9:43 PM


Re: jonah and essay
Do you have an inductive proof or don't you?

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Brian
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Message 82 of 145 (86912)
02-17-2004 5:53 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by kendemyer
02-16-2004 3:34 PM


Re: jonah and whale
I did some more science and historical research.
I strongly suggest that you do some theological research as well.
Brian.

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kendemyer
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Message 83 of 145 (87075)
02-17-2004 4:10 PM


jonah and whale
To: Brian
You assert I need to do some (or additional) theological research but you do not say why. It is a time honored tradition in debate that he who asserts must prove. You never did that. Secondly, you wanted to interject the Jonah debate in my hare/cud piece despite the fact that I clearly indicated from the beginning of that post string that I wished to stay on topic. I find such behavior rude. I also ask that in the Jonah string the discussion does not stray so please do not make the same error twice. Thirdly, I see more inconsistency on your part. You say you are boored by this string yet you continue to post to it. Either it bores you or it does not. Please make up your mind.
Sincerely,
Ken
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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 84 of 145 (87140)
02-17-2004 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by kendemyer
02-17-2004 4:10 PM


Re: jonah and whale
Speaking of time honored traditions, please supply the "inductive proof" you claim to possess.

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Brian
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Message 85 of 145 (87174)
02-18-2004 2:29 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by kendemyer
02-17-2004 4:10 PM


Re: jonah and whale
To Ken
You assert I need to do some theological research but you do not say why.
Well, since you are discussing a biblical event why on earth would there not be a theological aspect to it? You constantly go on about God's miracles in the Jonah account yet you do not think that you should do any theological research? The reason why I didnt say why you had to do theological research was that I assumed (and I suppose I shouldn't have) that anyone over the age of five knows that the bible and theology are inseparable.
If you had studied the theological aspect of the JOnah debate you would actually find that your 'scientific' and 'historical' research are uncalled for. I may post more on this later after you start to answer questions.
You never did that. Secondly, you wanted to interject the Jonah debate in my hare/cud piece despite the fact that I clearly indicated from the beginning of that post string that I wished to stay on topic.
My interjection was to warn the poster that if he was expecting a reply then he shouldn't be too surprised when he didnt get one.
The reply was not aimed at you so it had nothing to do with your request.
I find such behavior rude.
You mean as rude as your constant refusal to answer the questions that I and other posters have asked you too?
I also ask that in the Jonah string the discussion does not stray so please do not make the same error twice.
What discussion? If you actually read the thread you will find that you are essentially talking to yourself as you have not answered any questions. How many times has CA asked you for inductive proof?
Thirdly, I see more inconsistency on your part. You say you are boored by this string yet you continue to post to it. Either it bores you or it does not. Please make up your mind.
You seem to have some kind of memory defect, I told you why I read these threads.
1. I moderate the forum
2. I keep thinking that perhaps you may answer some of my questions.
Also, I never indicated that I wouldnt participate in the thread. There actually is one thing that is very interesting in this thread.
So, why are you not looking at the theological side of the event, and do you have any inductive proof?
Brian.

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Message 86 of 145 (87177)
02-18-2004 2:56 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Brian
02-18-2004 2:29 AM


Re: jonah and whale
Kendemyer,what is the point that you are trying to make?
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kendemyer
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Message 87 of 145 (87303)
02-18-2004 4:48 PM


jonah and whale
To Brian:
Perhaps I should have been more clear. You seemed to indicate my theology was poor in regards to the Book of Jonah and I needed to do ADDITIONAL research. Again he who asserts must prove. Of course, an understanding of theology is helpful in gaining a fuller understanding of the Book of Jonah (Dictionary.com | Meanings and Definitions of Words at Dictionary.com defines theology as: "The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions'). As a result, I see that as a strawman.
I never said that you are not responsible for not overlooking the debate as a moderator. I realize you are responsible and do not deny that in any way. I see that as another strawman. I did say why do you keep posting to the string (in a non moderator capacity!) if you find it so boring. I see this as inconsistency. Again, please make up your mind. Either it is boring or it is not. But to keep posting to it in a non moderator capacity while decrying it as boring is inconsistent. For some reason, you do not want to come to terms with your inconsistency. In your most recent post you now say there is something interesting in this post string BUT YOU NEVER SAY WHAT IT IS! I find this humorous to say the least. Again, please do not feel an obligation to respond to this post. I will take it as a sign of true boredom with the string and not merely faux boredom. If you do decide to post to the string again in a non moderator capacity please show proper courtesy and stay on topic. I know this is a reasonable request.
I also categorically deny your assertion that I am somehow ignoring your questions. I distinctly remember answering some of your questions that you had in the beginning of the post string. You seem to have conveniently forgotten that.
Lastly, if ConsequentialAtheist has a problem with my essay he should be more specific. Asking me to regurgitate the whole essay because he asserts there is no real evidence is unreasonable and a pointless request. I also see his lack of complaining of bad links when there were bad links as evidence that he may have never even read it! I did answer the reasonable questions of Yaro in my hare/cud piece.
I would also argue that if you have a problem with the historical and science evidence I offer then please address it. You seem to want to dodge that evidence rather than address it. I would say the same in regards to the theology.
TO Phatboy:
The point of my essay was to offer science,historical, and Scriptural (Biblical exegesis) evidence to support the Book of Jonah account and let the readers form their own conclusions.
The skeptics have whined about my essay but have not made a scratch or dent in it. The skeptics seem to prefer to whine about it for 6 pages of post entries. They seem to have forgotten the purpose of debate is to discover and refine the participants and publics knowledge regarding a topic. I think the skeptics time would be better spent doing additional research on the matter or spending their efforts on other topics/matters.
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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 88 of 145 (87393)
02-18-2004 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by kendemyer
02-18-2004 4:48 PM


Re: jonah and whale
Lastly, if ConsequentialAtheist has a problem with my essay he should be more specific. Asking me to regurgitate the whole essay because he asserts there is no real evidence is unreasonable and a pointless request.
I have a problem with intellectual cowards. What is your inductive proof?
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kendemyer
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Message 89 of 145 (87397)
02-18-2004 10:18 PM


jonah and whale
TO Consequentatheist:
Since you love bravery so much then I suggest you tell me what specifically you find wrong in the material I present in my very post to the string. I do not think you love bravery as much as you assert you do. So what specific thing do I say in my very first post to the string that you find objectionable and please fully support why you find it objectionable.
Sincerely,
Ken
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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 90 of 145 (87398)
02-18-2004 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by kendemyer
02-18-2004 10:18 PM


Re: jonah and whale
What is your inductive proof?

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