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MangyTiger
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Message 181 of 200 (148576)
10-09-2004 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by jar
10-09-2004 12:07 AM


Good points.
I did think while reading some of the earlier parts of this thread that the visual phases of the moon would be very useful to early man. Maybe they were even using "the time when the moon shows a full face again" before they could count up to thirty days. That is just idle speculation of course (before anybody challenges it !).

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jar
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Message 182 of 200 (148580)
10-09-2004 12:38 AM
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10-09-2004 12:29 AM


The moon also offers visual divisions that fit well in a pre-numbering system. The phases of the moon can corelate easily to the fingers on one hand. The other hand can be used to group those into a larger bunch. So you can do an awful lot using only the phases and fingers. It fits well with early counting systems were you often come across groupings, a score of score.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Trump won 
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Message 183 of 200 (149280)
10-11-2004 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by doctrbill
10-02-2004 7:22 PM


quote:
I am doubting that China was isolated to the extent that they didn't know what was going on in the rest of the world. Do you have any evidences/arguments to support your assertion?
The fact that they weren't invaded until a longggggg time after there civilization begun. When they were discovered through trade, the silk road etc. The invaders were in such awe of their culture they joined them! This means their culture must have been so different so grandk, which it indeed was in the beginnings.
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If you are serious about this, then I am pretty sure you don't understand the first chapters of Genesis, and doubly sure that you haven't read or do not understand the other creation myths to which you so casually allude.
Do you actually believe that the sun, moon and stars are ensconced in a big, invisible, dome which rolls around in an orbit of earth? Do you actually believe that the sky is blue becuase we are looking up at an infinitely deep body of water? Do you actually believe that the first man was made out of clay and that the first woman was produced by cloning?
Which is all up to interpretation. I must say I believe on faith not evidence. Remember the apostle that didn't believe Jesus rose from the dead because he had not seen him. Then Jesus revealed himself to him.

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Message 184 of 200 (149281)
10-11-2004 11:31 PM
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10-02-2004 5:14 PM


THey are however using common sense and say there must have been an exodus.

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Message 185 of 200 (149284)
10-11-2004 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by arachnophilia
10-03-2004 4:55 AM


quote:
is everyone else just wrong?
After all that telephone the only culture that got it right was with Moses because they had God's exact words.
Come on man aig refuted that.

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jar
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Message 186 of 200 (149286)
10-11-2004 11:40 PM
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10-11-2004 11:36 PM


What would the other cultures say?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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coffee_addict
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Message 187 of 200 (149289)
10-11-2004 11:53 PM
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10-11-2004 11:31 PM


Chris writes:
THey are however using common sense and say there must have been an exodus.
Please read this thread to get an idea of how common sense can make you look like a dumb-arse.

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doctrbill
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Message 188 of 200 (149299)
10-12-2004 12:18 AM
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10-11-2004 11:29 PM


CHRIS PORTEUS jr writes:
Which is all up to interpretation. I must say I believe on faith not evidence. Remember the apostle that didn't believe Jesus rose from the dead because he had not seen him. Then Jesus revealed himself to him.
You believe on faith in someone elses interpretation?
You don't believe on evidence you read in the holy word?
Remember: - The apostle was not criticized for his doubt but rather rewarded with solid evidence.
db

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coffee_addict
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Message 189 of 200 (149326)
10-12-2004 12:46 AM
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10-12-2004 12:18 AM


Well, this is a dead end way where you're going. Jesus said to Thomas something like "blessed are those that have not seen but believe..."
So, Thomas was awarded with solid evidence but people that have faith are "blessed", whatever that means.

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arachnophilia
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Message 190 of 200 (149327)
10-12-2004 12:47 AM
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10-11-2004 11:36 PM


After all that telephone the only culture that got it right was with Moses because they had God's exact words.
Come on man aig refuted that.
first of all, never, EVER trust answersingenesis. the are a bad source.
second, i think you missed the point. it was a rhetorical questions designed to illuminate the absurdity of the statment.

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doctrbill
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Message 191 of 200 (149335)
10-12-2004 12:53 AM
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10-12-2004 12:46 AM


Lam writes:
... people that have faith are "blessed", whatever that means.
If we assume (and I believe we can safely do so) that "blessed" means happy, or blissful, then we may have a clue to the origin of that dubious axiom - "Ignorance is bliss."
db

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coffee_addict
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Message 192 of 200 (149370)
10-12-2004 1:57 AM
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10-12-2004 12:53 AM


Haha. I must admit that this is the first time I've ever seen anyone refer to it that way before. I think I'll be using this from now on.

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DrJones*
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Message 193 of 200 (149371)
10-12-2004 2:18 AM
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10-11-2004 11:31 PM


THey are however using common sense and say there must have been an exodus.
Really? Show me where the text says that there "must have been an exodus"?
edited to add: An exodus isn't the only conclusion that common sense can lead to, for example:
IF we can find evidence of israelites in Egpyt during a certain time period and no evidence of them during a following time period then common sense would tell us that they were all killed and that none of them got away in a fantasical exodus.
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Phat
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Message 194 of 200 (149377)
10-12-2004 3:06 AM
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10-12-2004 12:46 AM


Doubting Lam
Lam writes:
Well, this is a dead end way where you're going. Jesus said to Thomas something like "blessed are those that have not seen but believe..."So, Thomas was awarded with solid evidence but people that have faith are "blessed", whatever that means.
And I respect the fact that you doubt lots of things, Lam! It is what makes you a good forum participant. You have more degrees than boiling water, yet you still spend a lot of time talking with people such as Jar, Chris(porcelain) and I. I am certain that Gods Word was/is divinely inspired, yet we all can say that we doubt the exact meaning behind the translations, can't we? The fact that we choose to be a community of posting brethren seeking answers in intent as well as letter for letter inference shows me that there is Heart in this forum! Thats a Blessing to me, for sure, for sure!
quote:
What is the difference between ignorance and apathy?
I don't know and I don't care!
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doctrbill
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Message 195 of 200 (149411)
10-12-2004 9:24 AM
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10-12-2004 3:06 AM


Re: Doubting Lam
Lam writes:
What is the difference between ignorance and apathy?
Phatboy writes:
I don't know and I don't care!
doctrbill writes:

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