Adam was created on the 3rd day

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Creation order:

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1. Heavens, including sun, moon and stars.

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I too see the galaxies in the beginning, while the sun and moon's luminosity appears later (in its due time).

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2. Earth, the separation of the land and seas.

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An important point, which is often disregarded. The 'separation' factor also says why we cannot determine anything pre-creation. This is a barrier marking a treshold, and impacts all things on all levels (light/darkness, day/night, man/woman, etc) - namely the connectivity of all things from one source, is also 'separated' - a treshold which cannot be voluntarilly crossed. This is vindicated.

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3. Hydrologic cycle begins, rain.

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Disagree. Though the texts is very exacting and must be 'deciphered' as one would a hedy math treatise - there is another view here. That vegetation came first in its static form (inactive), but became dynamic (activated) with the advent of rain; and the same holds for all entities listed in ch 1. This is based on the concept expressed in the metaphor, 'THE TABLE IS SET AND READY FOR ITS GUESTS' (an ancient kabalistic premise). The rains per se could not effect vegetation - unless vegetation was already created in a manner which was receptive to the rain's attributes - and vice versa. IOW, vegetation and its 'sprouting' (the term used in genesis to indicate activation)- would obviously not depend on rains per se - rather, each cell in vegetation's structure had to recognise and be receptive to the attributes contained in the rains - else nothing would happen. Either of these products on Mars would not perform the same way.Thus the texts says, 'NOW (meaning although vegetation was at hand) - NOTHING GREW - THEN A MIST ROSE UP AND THE RAINS CAME'; this is a reference to static vegetation, but comprehensively ready to meet RAIN - and vice verse. The intergration factor applies!

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4. Flesh man created from the ground(in God's likeness).

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Disagree. Humans are listed as the final creation act (vindicated), while the previous entities all represent what humans would require to subsist. Humans are a microcosm of all other entities, with the term 'dust' being appropriate here. Eg: man requires light, darkness, water, land - the seperation of them; vegetation, fish, birds and animals for domestic and consumption purposes. 'The table is set' applies.

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11. God rests, have you entered His rest? (There is no closing of day 7)

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Here, rest means 'ceased' creation (closure); humans are the last entity created. This also means, all that was required for the universe to function, has ended, and nothing else is needed save for each created entity's due time appearing. The latter includes knowledge - which is never out of its due time.

Grafttovine - BTW, Hi and wlecome.Re:

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Don't know where I have suggested that Man is animal, but both Man created on the third day and sixth are in God's likeness. This distinguishes them from animals. However, both man and animal are living souls. "Souls" is translated as "creature" in Gen 1:28. So when we see the sixth day man given rule over "every living creature that moves on the ground", and in fact the whole earth, this includes man created on the third day.

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It appears logical that even man was created in a potential, static form, and made dynamic in the next chapter, as with vegetation; man (generic adam) is activated to dynamic life with the breath of life: "AND HE BECAME A *LIVING* SOUL' (adam becomes a Pronoun).The days in the first chapter are not 24-hour days, but epochs of time (pre-sun luminosity periods). Luminosity appears after the sun's creation, namely in day 4 - which are cosmic days, as opposed earthly days. This allows for speech endowed humans to be 6000 years old, and the universe being many billions of years old, with no discrepencies with protoypes of humans.

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No mention is a pretty damning indictment of your interpretation.

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No mention of submarines during the flood is a pretty good first clue that there weren't any. No mention of Napoleon at the last supper is a pretty good indication that he wasn't there. No mention of Adam on Day Three - coupled with the plain statement that man was created on Day Six - is a pretty good indication that he wasn't there.

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Not so. Not when the texts is contextual, as opposed chronological, which it is not. The text is clearly steering the reader away from the 123/abc mechanical factory view - as with the sub analogy. Genesis works on a variant evolution than darwin; namely the graduations of life forms are subject to a triggering action based on its due time, as opposed to a self-generating accumulative one. Knowing the 3rd or 6th day here is not relevent - notwithstanding these are 'cosmic' days [pre-sunlight], namely epochs of time. History and time have not yet begun at this point, and all of creation is yet static, thus the trigger factor applies. A better analogy is a chef, which has prepared all ingredients, and uses each in its due time, to effect an end result: does it matter when the spinach was cut?It must be viewed as humans NOT being derivitive of the Darwin mode, but essentially new entities which have never been seen any place - being speech endowed, and thus, yes - believe it or not - a special 'kind'. There is an unintended comprehension glitch of an exacting and complex mathematical text, when one becomes unable to view aside from TOE. Gnesis correctly manifests that speech is not derived by accumulative, self-generating evolutionary factors - but one can wait a million years to know this blatant fact. It is not factored in TOE.

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graft2vine writes:
You are skipping over some points in the text. Namely that the natural (earthly) man dies, and is raised a spiritual man. It is the spiritual man that is made in God's image.

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Ringo:
That is certainly not in the text.

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There is a deficiency here in understanding an exacting, mathematical text. Consider what would happen if you disregarded a factor in a math treatise, like disregarding a + or - sign? Thus it says, NOT TO ADD OR SUBTRACT.Than humans have an extending existence after death is signified in this verse, and note the reverse order here:'I TAKE LIFE - AND I GIVE LIFE' (Exodus).

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I agree. Creation being the separating out and forming of all things that proceeded forth from God. Including time and space.

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The separation factor applies on all levels. Its proof is we have yet not been able to break this barrier, and know nothing about the origins of anything. This cannot be a deficiency of our minds. The thing is barred from the wirings of our brain. Its like we cannot imagine a new color.

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But why would God create something in a "static" form, when the conditions for it have not been met? It makes more sense to set the table and then bring in the guests. Why have the guests sitting at the table "static" while it is yet being set?

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Knowledge can destroy us - if it impacts before its due time; nor would there be any understanding of knowledge or science without the protocol of process. The guests are not sitting static - they only arrive when the table is ready, and the 'dinner ahoy' bell is rung. It means the rest of the ingredients had to come before the guests. vegetation comes before humans; but what constitutes humans came before vegetation. Thus static vegetation came before sunlight - this is 100% science here.

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You say nothing grew, when clearly things grew on day 3 in Genesis 1.

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The vegetation grew (sprouted) later, as per the texts; the cycle being triggered by mist and rains (an example only). Ch 1 is thus pre-mist and pre-rain. Here, in day 3, only the attributes infused in vegetation is described.

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Man requires everything up until the vegetation. Fish, birds, animals, are not required for man to exist, but are "helpers" as indicated in Genesis 2.

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Correct. The vegetation includes all sustainance, and is as meat (ch 1).

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In Genesis 1, the time of appearing is when the entity is created. God looks at what He creates and "sees that it is good".

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Good = finished, complete, adequate.

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Interesting thought, but no, that doesn't really make sense for me, considering that it doesn't with the vegetation either.

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There's only two ways humans could have emerged. Via self-generating accumulated process (TOE), or wholely as a human, requiring only a 'click' to be switched on - as with a complete, new TV set one purchases (Creationism). The batteries were not included but made available.

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I agree that the days are not 24 hour, but perhaps a thousand years or more. The cosmic day did not change to an earthly day on day 4 in the middle of the creation. Adam was the first human, and there were no prototypes before him. His earthly days began being counted in the day he ate from the tree of knowledge.

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That is the meaning of the sunlight appearing in day 4: these are six cosmic days, not 24-hour days. It is 100% scientific - stars do not give out light (luminosity) till they reach a certain critical maturity. The sun was created in the opening first first - simultainiously with all components of the universe - while its adaptation occured later. There is no alternative to this, and it says that the attributes of each universal component was ushered in complete with an inherent attribute, as opposed the self-generating accumulation premise which says your PC is the result of particles banging randomly for a very long time.

Third day is an improvision notion, resultant from disecting a complex and exacting mathematical text, dealing with the deepest issues, in a mode for all generation's contemplations.Genesis also says, ALL was created at one instant, requiring no further input, and ALL appears in their due time, signified by the term RESTED (ceased all creation). The items listed in Genesis' days of creation refer to what appeared in its due time, else the verse 'I will give you your rains in its due time - the early rains and the later rains' - becomes superfluous. This is so even though the technical term of 'created' is used in these listings - namely, it is explained from a retrospective human view.Thus man and vegetation were both created in verse one, and in its due time, activated, statically (not yet alive and active, but fully constructed), and made dynamic (alive/active) when other created structures like the sun's luminosity, rains, etc were ignited. There is no alternative to this - it means Penecilin, discovered 200 years ago, already existed since Creation, as do the notes of a song, but can be evoked only in its due time - else these could not be possible to discover.The resting of creation with the Sabbath is not a chronological factor - the Sabbath is alligned with the first verse in Genesis, and Liberty and inalienable human rights, signifying that all of creation is by the Creator. Thus the first two words of The Ten Commandments were in ancient Egyptian (I am/Anno chi), directed at the Pharoah who called himself divine, while negating Liberty and one day of rest.'THERE IS NOTHING NEW' - K. Solomon.

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tiwsting the text incredibly far away from its plain and simple meaning

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Explain the plain and simple meaning of the first verse in Genesis: how is the heavens and earth different then from now? Did oxygen, for example, exist in its propencity form, and could it come about if it was not?

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Creation order:

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1. Heavens, including sun, moon and stars.
2. Earth, the separation of the land and seas.
3. Hydrologic cycle begins, rain.
4. Flesh man created from the ground(in God's likeness).
5. Garden planted, vegetation. shelter for man.
6. Clouds break up, sun, moon and stars appear. time and direction for man.
7. Sea creatures and birds created.
8. Land animals created.
9. All the animals brought to Adam for naming.
10. Man made male and female, Eve created. Man made in the image of God. (note: there is a difference between image and likeness)
11. God rests, have you entered His rest? (There is no closing of day 7)

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This is a good way of explaining what is being said in the first 3 chapters of Genesis, and I've not seen such a listing, but there should be one.What I do not follow, even tho I've read of this, is why you conclude the rains activation of ch. 2 is seen as 3rd day. Here, you have picked up on the verse, "in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens" as applying to the day of the rains.My reading is, the day refers to the heavens and earth creation, not the rains. I believe this is the more grammatically correct reading - the rains are mentioned for the first time as an introduction of it, while the heavens and earth have already been declared as applying to the first day. IOW, the latter clause of the verse is describing the heavens and earth , which it is attached to - not the rains.The other applicable factor is that the entire universe was created in one instant, along with all its components, in potential form, and activated in its due time. This is the meaning of Creation being rested on the 6th day: meaning it was 'completed'. The OT is read contextually, as opposed chronologically, and intergratedly as opposed independently. What alsoapplies here,is the verse which says the rains will be given in its due time - signifying it was created, but is given according to its relevence.

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If the "image" and "likeness" is construed as a "physical form" then one is anthropomorphizing {i.e. humanizing} the Deity, and essentially making an image/idol of the Deity in the form of something that is on the earth. According to Exodus 20:4 God forbids such image/idol making.

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I believe the word 'OF' is incorretly disregarded here. It says, the spirit *OF* Gd, so the conclusion this refers to Gd being spirit is an invalid addition. Secondly, the 2nd Commandment says not to worship *ANYTHING* within creation - which would include spirit, heaven and the spiritual realm - all which was created in the beginning.This says there is no advocation or sanctioning of anthropomorphizing, except in the abstract expressionism. Images are not forbidden - except when used for worshipping.

Yes, i can see that 'form' occured, namely the rain signifying an activation, turning the created products from potential to actual form - which means a giving is subject to its due time. However, I see the 'day' refering not to the rains but to the instant the heavens and earth were created.Here, all the items in the first six days were already created, but were inactive. They became actualised later. Thus the vegetation was created but inactive - awaiting the later rains. Adam [humans] would have been created on the 6th day, after all the preliminary and required items were created, as an anticipation of Adam. 'The dinner table is ready for the guests' is the applicable metaphor here.