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Author Topic:   51 scientific facts that disprove the Bible
anglagard
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Message 43 of 167 (496681)
01-29-2009 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Buzsaw
01-29-2009 8:46 PM


Re: Twenty Facts and Counting...
Hope you and bluescat don't mind me butting in but this is just too much fun.
Buzsaw writes:
21: If dead men return to dust, why couldn't omniscient ID create a man from dust?
That would mean the ID just changed the definition of dust. What is commonly referred to as dust does not have near the calcium and phosphate that 'dusty old bones' contain.
22: Your evidence is?
The Egyptian, Sumerian, and likely Chinese writing systems by both conventional dating and their own chronology predate any currently invisible traces of any purported Tower of Babel according to generally accepted Biblical chronology. It would be quite a stretch IMO to maintain that the three radically different writing systems all represented the same spoken language as this has never been observed in history or in the present.
23. Oops skipped an important one. (also predates any purported global flood).
24: Reflected light is nevertheless, light. Go outside and note how lighted the planet is by the freflected light from the moon. Without the moon it would be dark.
Venus has also been bright enough to cast a shadow. Guess it depends upon one's definition of 'great light.'
25: Even today the nations refer to the sun rise and the sun set. Like the ancients, we all know what that means. Don't exact upon them what we don't exact upon ourselves for the sake of argument.
Joshua refers to stopping the rotation of the earth, not sunrise or sunset.
Nonsense.
The link you provide also shows that screwing with the genetic code in such a manner renders the progeny sterile, hardly an auspicious beginning for populating the earth.
27: Not a problem for the omniscient ID creator of the first man.
Well, nothing is a problem with magic except that if magic is how everything is done, doesn't that make science evil. (not a problem for some around here except when they drive, eat, live in heated homes, turn on a light switch, etc. unless of course they are irredeamable hypocrites.)
28: What would you expect to find? Petrified manna and dung?
Actually considering the purported millions in the Exodus, there would be a shitload of petrified dung.
29: Not if Jehovah had prepared the sea animal for the passenger/visitor/guest.
Back to magic. You want magic to replace science in science class?
30: Serpents caught away from their hole in a dust storm or blowing dirt/sand eat more dust than a long legged creature which they were likely to have been before the curse which rendered them belly crawlers. The closer to the ground, the more dust you are likely to ingest.
Evidently you have never been in a dust storm. In a real dust storm everything eats dust, the bigger the nostrils, the more the dust.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
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Message 70 of 167 (498218)
02-09-2009 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Peg
02-09-2009 3:17 AM


Ouch!
Peg writes:
Linguists estimate that about 6,000 years ago, the Indo-Europeans were still a coherent group - they had not yet begun to migrate. This means that they belong to the Neolithic Age.'
6k years huh? kinda takes out that whole flood and Babel thing.
Perhaps rather than trying to jam the Bible into some preconceived dates based upon hucksters, maybe you should just try to get the meaning of the ultimate message.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
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Message 72 of 167 (498230)
02-09-2009 4:07 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Peg
02-09-2009 3:17 AM


Pardon me for currently reading Genome by Matt Ridley but the difference in language apparently correlates to the genetic code based upon location, and it definitely predates any flood or tower.
I don't know what to say to those who demand the Bible is a newspaper or science textbook other than to say it loses it's impact when one takes its emotional power away when they refuse to treat it as it was intended, as literature.
Edited by anglagard, : appropriate qualifiers

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
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Message 102 of 167 (498480)
02-11-2009 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by lyx2no
02-10-2009 10:20 PM


Re: Male?
This all male club of fundamentalist Western religion, including Christianity, Islam, and Judaism sure brings up some important questions.
Seems like heaven to these male-only theists is some weird version of the bathhouses on Castro Street in San Fransisco back in the 70's prior to the outbreak of AIDS. After all, everyone must not only completely agree with them on every issue to achieve eternity, in most cases they have to be direct genetic clones.
Sure provides some insight into the homophobia, perhaps like Catholic priests, it is time to come out of the closet. Let's all hope, in the name of God, the worst fundies can limit their desires to those over 18.
Edited by anglagard, : not to tar all 'fundies' with a moniker, but let it be said, all too often they reap what they sow.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
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Message 118 of 167 (498597)
02-12-2009 1:38 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Buzsaw
02-11-2009 11:59 PM


Buz Hates Physics Too!
Rrhain writes:
1) The universe is not less than 6000 years old. Yes, the Bible does say this.
[Skipping over everything about the chronology of creation because that's too easy.]
2) Not all animals are vegetarians.
3) Female humans were not created from male humans. While hyper-advanced genetic engineering could conceivably do such a thing, that isn't what happened with respect to humans.
4) Snakes did not lose their legs after they encountered humans.
5) No humans have lived more than 200 years.
6) No giants.
Buzsaw writes:
1. I agree with Peg that your #1 is totally false and not Biblical.
Partially right, it is totally false. However it is also based upon the Bible through the genealogies and on the assumption that the days in Genesis were literal 24 hour days. Are you going to tell me you never heard of Bishop Ussher?
Now Buzsaw it is your fellow creationists Ham, Hovind, and Morris, not practitioners of evidence-based biology, geology, chemistry, and physics who insist the universe is 6k years old, nor is it Deists, Agnostics, Atheists, and even mainstream Christians including Catholics. Why don't you ever criticize the YECs and their sites like AIG and ICR for their misinterpretations and outright falsehoods?
Or is it that truth and morality are relative because the enemy of my enemy is my friend takes priority over not bearing false witness?
2. That depends on whether micro changes happened to the physiology of animals after radical climate change altered their habitat. Teeth that were designed to tear flesh would have been also necessary to deal with fibrous vegetation etc.
Hilarious FSTDT fodder. So now form no longer follows function and intelligent design means any design is for every conceivable function. Just make stuff up, no reason to involve obvious differences in dentition between carnivores and herbivores that anyone else can see.
So now that you deny all basic physics and common sense will you be making that jump over the English Channel like that guy in the Monty Python skit?
...skip other goofy stuff.....
5. How do you know that humans way back when didn't live longer? It's speculation on your part just as you would claim that it's speculation on our part to belive they did live longer lives. After all, some of the animals evidently were larger etc, indicative that the habitat may have been changed at some time.
How do you? There is no evidence I know of outside of a book that even you hold says day when it means billion years. So why can't thousand years mean decades? After all it is unimportant what the text says since everyone you agree with apparently has the right to say it means anything they want it to.
So what is that position called? Creative Biblical Literalism? or should that be Humpty Dumptheism.
Show me the money (evidence).
6. We have had 7 ft plus men. How do you know there weren't giants? There were likely few of them so little evidence would have been preserved.
Well when words mean nothing except what Humpty Dumptheists say they mean even pygmies are giants if Humpty Dumptheists say they are.
Well that and it is physically impossible to have a human bipedal design scaled up to over ten feet in this gravitational field because of that nasty old physics business unless of course form has nothing to do with function as your apparent version of intelligent(???!) design appears to assert.
(evidently words are still spelled any way Humpty Dumptheists want too, despite spell checkers in Firefox, Google, and any of the multitude of online dictionaries)
That's my response. Now my brain hurts so Dr. Gumby says it needs to come out.
Edited by anglagard, : change plural says to say in the Humpty Dumptheist sentence.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 119 of 167 (498602)
02-12-2009 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Buzsaw
02-11-2009 11:59 PM


Interesting
Buzsaw writes:
After all, some of the animals evidently were larger etc, indicative that the habitat may have been changed at some time.
Uh oh. Animals changing over generations as a response to the environment?
You know what that leads to......

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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