Meaning of Daniel 8:13-14 ?

Hello again.When reading the King James Version of the Bible, I notice that some words have been added - the ones in brackets.
An example is Daniel 8:13-14I ask - Why have words been added that have changed the meaning and flow of the sentence ?Here is the verse without the added {English} words. It appears not to read quite right, but its not because I have removed the 'added' English words - its because the original translation by the Old English scribes was not entirely correct - as they appear not to use the original meanings of some of the Hebrew words.Here is a literal translation by Young: Even in 1898 he had to 'add' words to try to make it read fluently.Let's check Strong's Concordance (the written version, not the new amended electronic versions).
Hebrew word 2377 "vision" means 'a sightment' or sighting.
Word 8548 "daily" means 'continuance which means 'duration.
Word 6588 "transgression" means 'a religious revolt'.
Word 8074 "desolation" means 'to stun, stupefy, and to amaze'.
Word 5414 "to give" means 'to make'.
Word 6944 "sanctuary" means 'holy'.
Word 6635 "host" means 'a mass of persons'.
Word 4823 "trodden under foot" means 'abasement' which means 'to be humiliated'.
Word 6663 "cleansed" means 'to make right in a moral and forensic sense'.In Chart form this looks like:
How long the
2377 . vision . = sightment - sighting
8548 . daily . = continuance - duration
6588 . transgression . = a religious revolt
8074 . desolation . = to stun, stupefy, amaze
5414 . to give both . = to make both
6944 . sanctuary . = holy
6635 . host . = mass of people
4823 . trodden under by foot . = abasement - to be humiliated6663 . cleansed . = to make right in a moral and forensic senseThis gives How long the sighting: the duration and the amazing religious revolt that makes both holy mass of people to be humiliated ? 2,300 days until the holy is made right in a moral and forensic sense.It can now be seen that "the sighting" is one subject separated by 'the duration' with the other subject being "the amazing religious revolt that makes both holy mass of people humiliated".
The 'duration' is given as 2,300 days with the second subject related to the "holy people" being clarified as being "made right in a moral and forensic sense".This is what is derived when the meanings from Strong's written Concordance are used.The point of this exercise is that, if we have been told the wrong start and end events, then we may have not been aware that these two events have occurred, or we will not recognize them when they do occur.Is what I have derived closer to the original meanings ?
What I have found is somewhat similar to the 1898 translation by Young.Questioning the accuracy of the translation of the Bible's words - still,
Eddy

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ah, look who's back. h-word 04100 "what" means "how?" or "of what kind?"
g-word 1260 "reasoned" or "derived" means "to bring together different reasons, to reckon up the reasons, to reason, revolve in one's mind, deliberate"
h-word 01695 "closer" means "clinging, adhering to"
h-word 0259 "first" or "original" means "one"
h-word 0998 "meaning" means "understanding, discernment"so, "what kind of reasons have you resolved in your mind, clinging to one understanding?"don't look at me, you asked the question, not me.This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 11-17-2004 04:31 AM

h-word 01931 "it" means "he, she, it" or "himself (with emphasis)"
h-word 07200 "appear" means "to see, look at, inspect, perceive, consider"
h-word 00369 "not" means "nothing"
h-word 07121 "read" means "call out"
h-word 04941 "right" means "judgement"there is no hebrew word for "quite" it's formed by repeating the verb, in this case "read"so, what you're really saying is:

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he percieves nothing he reads, call out his judgement

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you're right, this is fun!This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 11-17-2004 08:28 PM

GHOTI"GH" pronounced as in "cough"
"O" pronounced as in "women"
"TI" pronounced as in "nation"
So ghoti is an alternate spelling of "fish."I'll quit now, but it is fun.

oh, that's old.the joke is that i'm turning his own message against him, using his methods. as my previous post indicates, logic, persuation, and nitpicking do not work. maybe demonstration will.if i get bored with this, maybe i'll start using a modern english thesaurus. or bible-(de)code his messages or something. that would be fun too.

Oliver Wendell Holmes old is what my dad told me 45 years ago.

Thankyou to all those who replied to me privately.My extractions were from a 1996 hard bound edition of Strong's Concordance.Kim provided me with these extractions from the 1984 hard bound edition. All this mostly confirms my translation, except
"Abasement" also means 'depriving one of self esteem' (as well as to be humiliated).
"Sanctuary" means 'a sacred or holy place'.This gives "How long the continuance of the sight, and the amazing (religious) revolt that makes both the holy place and the (holy) mass of people to be deprived of self esteem ? 2,300 days until the holy place is made right in a moral and forensic sense."This confirms that "the sighting" is one subject separated by 'the continuance' with the other subject being "the amazing (religious) revolt that makes both the holy place and (holy) mass of people to be deprived of self esteem ".
The 'duration' is given as 2,300 days with the second subject related to the "holy place and the holy people" being clarified as being "made right in a moral and forensic sense".These are the original meanings, verified by other people, taken direct from Strong's Concordance.
Strong was not happy with the KJV translation, so about 200 years later he listed the original Hebrew (and Greek) meanings of the words from the Bible.And yes, I even checked these translations to the electronic version that was used by some of you via the link stated in a previous post.
Except for some minor discrepancies, this checks out the meanings I propose too.Pertaining to the events described by Daniel, I will be waiting for what the original Hebrew words say - and not for what religious translators (who often had their own agenda) before and after the 1611 KJV Bible translated.I see the angel telling Daniel of future events being this:
At some point in our history there is a specific VISION - the sighting.
2,300 days later there is an amazing rebellion that makes the holy place and the holy mass of people to loose their self esteem.
On this day the holy things will be made right (in a moral and forensic sense).This refers to The Judgement theme contained within the Bible's words.
This Vision event is part of that Judgement.Religious scholars see this as a positive thing for Christianity, but to me it seems that many Christian religions (denominations and sects?) are going to be "trodden under foot" by the amazing End Time VISION.This message has been edited by Eddy Pengelly, 11-18-2004 12:48 AM

i don't feel like correcting every false statement you have made, but here's one you probably didn't even know. concordances don't cover what the word means, just where it occurs. strong himself never made definitions of the words, just common usages in the kjv.

I am not quite sure what you are asking. I belive that the passages in the Bible no matter the version are different to each person. I don't know if that helps, but I hope it does. Perhaps you can explain your question again?

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Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

Greetings TheClashFan;
It may read differently, and be interpreted differently by certain people, but whoever wrote it had ONE specific idea when he put pen to paper concerning a specific event that occurs in the End Times.
I ask myself - do I believe what others tell me it means, or do I check out the original meanings from the Hebrew myself ?
When this is done, it is plainly seen that the 1611 English translation is not really correct - as they have added words to the original text.Point 1
What I am trying to clarify is that people are expecting "a vision concerning the daily sacrifice" and have associated these words with the activities of Jesus, but the original words according to the dictionary in Strong's Concordance clearly shows that some of these words are 'extra' English words - and that the original subject concerning the VISION is its 'duration' or continuance - which is a reference to an event in the End Times - and is not related to Jesus taking away the sins by his death etc. in circa 30 CE (or coming back).Point 2
The "transgression of desolation" has a similar pre-conceived religious idea, but again, the concordance shows that this second event - whose duration is given in the next verse as 2300 days, and its result in last part of verse Daniel 8:13 - is a (religious) revolt that amazes people.Point 3
The "sanctuary and the host" translates as 'the holy place and the holy mass of people' (ie. the Church and its members) - and these are the 'things' that are going to be "trodden down".Point 4
The original meaning of "treading down" is 'abasement' which means either to be humiliated or to lose self esteem.Point 5
"Cleansed" means 'to make right in a moral and forensic sense'.So the perceived expected religious event relating to Jesus is NOT reflected in the original meanings of the Hebrew words. Therefore what people have been waiting for is the wrong events relating to the wrong biblical character.As I said in my post "This refers to The Judgement theme contained within the Bible's words. This Vision event is part of that Judgement".So what we need to look for is an amazing event (#1) that pertains to a certain VISION, that 2300 days later humiliates the Churches and their members because it (#2) makes things right in a moral and forensic sense. (ie. A Judgement)
Now this is what the original Hebrew text was saying.All we need to do now (or later) is to look into history books and find an amazing VISION that exactly 2300 days later causes a religious revolt.This is how I see it, Eddy

he thinks there are secret messages in the bible about cd-roms that can be decoded by [incorrectly] using strong's concordance.

Daniel was given the interpretation of his vision in Daniel 8:15-26. How does that mesh with what you are trying to say?

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

First off, I tip my hat to you for your brilliance. That would be very interesting if you did go look through history for such things, and I think you will find them. Other than that, I am not well versed enough in the Bible to be a real part of this discussion, but thank you for introducing me to such a new idea about the Bible and it's translation.